Protests in Tibet

vistet

.. or alternatively somewhat slow children : if the Motherland sends out people who see themselves as "the bigger, elder brother" (lao da ge) then the only remaining role is the infants. If it´s a family , it is a highly dysfunctional one , with no opt out possibility for the eighteen plus olds.

I disagree on the shut up part, though : the worst possible damage that can be inflicted on Chinas image will be supplied by Chinese chauvinists themselves. Talking about Tibet with friends I still find it hard to deliver even a restrained version their world view : I could really use a guest player from the embassy.

(Once again : the Powers book - brilliant , thanks for the tip , dzibead )

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machadinha

Umea's really way up north, eh? Hmmm... Have dreamt of northern Scandinavia for a long time. Hardly an embassy player myself though. Forget it. Nice idea though.

* Checking now: I've been to Sundsvall. Doesn't look that much more northernly.** Those people had some hardcore stories about life in winter btw. I was thinking Lapland more though.

** But I think I'm looking at a funny map. It's probably a lot further up, is that right? And so what got you to be an India freak? Just the Himalayas?

Anyway never to distract from the issue at hand, ahem, sorry.

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Nick-H

I'm at a loss to know how this came into the conversation, but comparisons of northerliness are easily done by comparing the latitude!

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vistet

Not really : I used to live in the North , now I live in mid-Sweden , some three hundred kilometers south of the Arctic Circle. Shorter summer nights , longer winter days.

But there is a connection , I started to walk in my home mountains, went on to the Himalayas , at the outset with no idea of the people and the culture. Came back with some deja-vu experiences : stepping in to a house in Manang I could stretch up my hand in to the darkness and find the smoked meat and tea in the same place , and the grandmother directing the family with the same authority from the påssjo position , opposite the door , on the other side of the fire. Yep , a square version of the Sami tipi. And a lot similar taste in aesthetics .

machadinha

Ah, but resemblances among the Arctic or Alpine peoples... no, it's for another thread, really. This one should be geared to Tibet and its particular struggles. So: sorry for the interference.

It gives me a hook for any re-visit to Sweden though

ps Nick: Yes, I just don't have my excellent atlas at hand, or I wouldn't even be asking.

Nick-H

Recommendations: GoogleEarth, or even Wikimapia!

Yes, better we get back on-topic, here.

Munivar

Read this somewhere and it was very profound.

Tibetans will be free when Chinese are free.

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Sama

probably on my blogs...(I'm kidding... )

I also heard someone mention to a protester that they wouldn't be able to protest in china, and how fortunate they are to be here...I think the irony was lost on the protester.

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I saw a top guy from The Hindu Group Publications (can't remember his name or exact title) giving an interview on CCTV9 (Chinese TV channel in English) yesterday, during a pause of a "human rights conference" in Beijing.

He called the Dalai Lama a "con man", said the "cultural genocide" of Tibetans was a lie, and marveled about how the Chinese were developing Tibet, and particularly about the train...

I was a bit surprised.

Any comments on that? What political option does the Hindu represent, and is this attitude towards Tibet and China visible in its publications?

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Munivar

^ The Hindu editor N.Ram is a Chinese stooge. It is like the Indian edition of Xinhua.

In fact, they do have a tie up with Xinhua.

It used to be a somewhat neutral paper. Nowadays most of the english media are hopelessly biased.

Nick-H

It's kind of surprising, seeing as how The Hindu seems to want to be The Guardian when it grows up, following a lot of their design style and even reprinting a lot of their comment and editorial articles.

I haven't really noticed The Hindu's stance on this, but The New Indian Express has been quite pro-Tibet.

machadinha

I always thought Frontline (part of The Hindu Group) quite good for some meaty background stuff (somewhat Guardian'esque indeed for those who have no problem with that approach, and generally well-written); a quick glance now at some of their past Tibet articles doesn't bode all that well on the issue though... Their latest: Olympic torch: Fanning the flames. "In India and most of the world, public opinion has not been swayed by the West’s machinations to politicise the Olympic Games." Another piece: Political games.

Sama

"The Tibetan people need the involvement of the U.S. government to help resolve recent conflicts between Chinese officials and anti-Beijing protesters in Tibet, the Dalai Lama said Monday.

"At this moment, we need your help," the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader said as he and Undersecretary of State Paula Dobriansky addressed reporters briefly before a closed-door meeting at the University of Michigan...."

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...ict+with+China


The Dalai Lama this weekend looked like he had the heaviness of the world on his shoulders when he gave his teachings....he did not look as joyful as when I saw him previously. he looks a bit more stooped over and my teacher -- who is only a few years younger than the Dalai Lama -- had to help him into and out of his chair.

as I said, the chinese protesters were out in force, even flying a plane around the arena with a banner flying behind that read an absolute lie about HHDL not supporting the Olympics. the irony was that HHDL spoke about how Buddhism came to China long before it did in Tibet and there were Chinese Buddhists on stage with him and they recited the Heart Sutra in Chinese as His Holiness bowed his head.

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Looks pretty joyful to me, but I will defer to you since you saw him in person.

I met him a number of years back at the Zellerbach Auditorium at Cal Beserkeley. He was pretty blissful, despite the gay protesters that were upset on his stand against homosexuality...

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Sama

I assume that pic is from last year when he got the Cong. Medal of Honor, since the date on the photo is 2007....and not from two days ago?

he did crack some jokes about getting a divorce if your partner is a negative person so he did break us up more than a few times with some tibetan humor....oh that dalai, such a kidder!