Protests in Tibet

puchoo · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:21

I just hope that nothing more than this is required. The last thing i want is violence to a degree where the city declares a red alert...that will get me back to Delhi fast from Gurgaon..!

brownboy66 · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:28

oh...that's right (forgot you were in Gurgaon). If I hear any shouting down the end of the street I'll let you know its time to leave work immediately!

shashank.aggarwal · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:30

Well, I do not feel there would much of problem outside central Delhi..generally Tibetans are a peaceful lot, and really hope this yields atleast some result for these guys...

puchoo · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:30

Yes do that!

I am half surprised they did not shut down schools in Delhi.... i know they have arranged for a couple of thousand children to stand under the hot sun to watch the relay but still..

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Originally Posted by brownboy66

oh...that's right (forgot you were in Gurgaon). If I hear any shouting down the end of the street I'll let you know its time to leave work immediately!

vistet · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

The Indian Government is bowing again to pressure from the pro Chinese left. Protests in West Bengal and Arunachal (I think) have been banned.

Spineless.

Makes me think of the election outcome in Nepal : can´t bode well for the Tibetan refugees.Another disturbing fact came out in the largest Swedish daily , who wrote recently from Dharamsala : not a single Tibetan has made it across since March 10th.

Differing leftist perspectives : don´t miss the epic battle between Wang Xiliong and Tibetan historian Tsering Shakya. Old , still hot.

dzibead · Apr 17th, 2008, 11:50

A friend of mine who has family in Lhasa said that she was able to make phone contact with them and they said the local prisons are so full they are removing prisoners to China. Her relatives also said the word is that the prisoners aren't being given adequate food and water and are being slowly starved. I don't know know accurate this is or whether it's just alarmist speculation, but it seems plausible from what I've heard from some of my clients about prison conditions in Tibet, even during times when the authorities are not particularly cracking down, as they are now.

karuna · Apr 17th, 2008, 17:52

Bit more info on the Delhi situation:

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Some 15,000 police and commandos have secured the heart of the city along the truncated route of the torch relay.
...
Earlier, Tibetan exile groups organised an alternative torch relay involving Indian politicians and celebrities.

Also:

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Police have also ordered workers in the many government offices overlooking the route not to look out of their windows to look at the ceremony because of the perceived security threat.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7351713.stm

and photos:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/7352061.stm

Sama · Apr 17th, 2008, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

Spineless.

you're much more diplomatic than I am, capt....

I will see the Dalai Lama this weekend...this is a statement from my teacher, Gelek Rimpoche, who is sponsoring his visit to Ann Arbor, Michigan -

"I am aware that a group of Chinese Students have applied for permission from the University to stage a demonstration during this weekend's teaching at Crisler Arena. We support all non-violent expression of free speech and expect anyone attending the teaching to respect that right of expression without confrontation. We do not anticipate these demonstrations to interfere with any of our programs."

I must remember to breathe peace-be peace

dzibead · Apr 18th, 2008, 00:23

Coverage of the Delhi events from phayul.com:
http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...s+in+New+Delhi

rajiveanand · Apr 18th, 2008, 07:08

Latest news from BBC...

R.

dzibead · Apr 18th, 2008, 07:36

What if you gave a party and nobody came?

The Chinese will simply not ever get the real significance of the negative reaction to their torch relay propaganda.

This quote from the BBC article above is so illuminating:

"The Chinese government has meanwhile appealed for understanding over the actions of the torch's controversial security guards, who have been criticised for being heavy-handed with protesters.

'Relevant countries should have a clear understanding of the rules of the escorts and understand their work," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

They have used their bodies to protect the torch, so their acts should be praised and the violent acts of those Tibet independence elements be condemned.'"

Oh, should we condemn Majora Carter, one of the torch-bearers in San Francisco, whose "violent act" was to pull a small Tibetan flag out of her sleeve? That got her man-handled by the "praiseworthy" torch guards and shoved unceremoniously off the street into the crowd by the SF cops.

Shut up, China. Just shut the f**k up. You are a disaster and no amount of spinning and failed PR can hide the truth. William Langewiesche has got your number:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/fe...04/china200804

shashank.aggarwal · Apr 18th, 2008, 14:35

Y'day was one of the worst days in Delhi in terms of Traffic..It was virtually brought down on its knees...

batistuta · Apr 18th, 2008, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by dzibead

Shut up, China. Just shut the f**k up. You are a disaster and no amount of spinning and failed PR can hide the truth. William Langewiesche has got your number:
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/fe...04/china200804

Amen to that.

Nick-H · Apr 19th, 2008, 00:25

We can dream, I suppose

...

machadinha · Apr 19th, 2008, 20:04

No invitation to Dalai Lama, says EU Presidency

Quote:

Brussels, April 19: The European Union's Slovenian Presidency said that it would not invite the Dalai Lama to Brussels to meet with the bloc's Foreign Ministers, as Paris has proposed.

... Read on at the above URL.

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brownboy66 Chicken 65 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,336	oh...that's right (forgot you were in Gurgaon). If I hear any shouting down the end of the street I'll let you know its time to leave work immediately!

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dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	A friend of mine who has family in Lhasa said that she was able to make phone contact with them and they said the local prisons are so full they are removing prisoners to China. Her relatives also said the word is that the prisoners aren't being given adequate food and water and are being slowly starved. I don't know know accurate this is or whether it's just alarmist speculation, but it seems plausible from what I've heard from some of my clients about prison conditions in Tibet, even during times when the authorities are not particularly cracking down, as they are now.

Apr 18th, 2008, 00:23	#399
dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	Coverage of the Delhi events from phayul.com: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...s+in+New+Delhi

Apr 18th, 2008, 07:36	#401
dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	What if you gave a party and nobody came? The Chinese will simply not ever get the real significance of the negative reaction to their torch relay propaganda. This quote from the BBC article above is so illuminating: "The Chinese government has meanwhile appealed for understanding over the actions of the torch's controversial security guards, who have been criticised for being heavy-handed with protesters. 'Relevant countries should have a clear understanding of the rules of the escorts and understand their work," foreign ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said. They have used their bodies to protect the torch, so their acts should be praised and the violent acts of those Tibet independence elements be condemned.'" Oh, should we condemn Majora Carter, one of the torch-bearers in San Francisco, whose "violent act" was to pull a small Tibetan flag out of her sleeve? That got her man-handled by the "praiseworthy" torch guards and shoved unceremoniously off the street into the crowd by the SF cops. Shut up, China. Just shut the f**k up. You are a disaster and no amount of spinning and failed PR can hide the truth. William Langewiesche has got your number: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/fe...04/china200804

Apr 18th, 2008, 14:35	#402
shashank.aggarwal Maha Guru Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: ~ Dilli ~ Posts: 5,928	Y'day was one of the worst days in Delhi in terms of Traffic..It was virtually brought down on its knees...

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