Protests in Tibet

edwardseco · Mar 29th, 2008, 05:50

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Three Stooges? Never heard of 'em

Check on youtube, yuk yuk..

pagal_baba · Mar 29th, 2008, 07:11

Referring to earlier posts on this thread re: Tibetan youth dissatisfied with the non-violent approach to Chinese occupation. I feel with courage and intelligence there is no reason why a Tibetan armed struggle couldn't bring the Chinese to the negotiating table. I live in the north of Ireland(the area occupied by the British) and the IRA were able to fight a predominantly urban guerilla war against the might of the British Army and catalyse the situation to the point were ceasefires led to negotiations which ultimately led to the Catholic citizens of this part of Ireland getting the equal rights they deserved. The IRA fought this war with approx 400 active service members at any one time while the British had from 20-30,000 soldiers/security forces. However, I'm only advocating this approach if the majority of Tibetans suppport it as "War doesn't determine what is right, war determines what is left" and that is something to bear in mind.

edwardseco · Mar 29th, 2008, 08:23

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courage and intelligence there is no reason why a Tibetan armed struggle couldn't bring the Chinese to the negotiating table

Works better with a less ruthless foe. Even reading Irish history shows that when the Brits came in and whacked people the Irish deferred the struggle. If the opponant was Hitler Gandhi would have been gassed.

edwardseco · Mar 29th, 2008, 08:25

Just to add a note Mao's China holds the record in history for genocide. Its a bit early to presume the ruling regime has developed a conscience..

dzibead · Mar 29th, 2008, 08:36

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

Works better with a less ruthless foe. ... when the Brits came in and whacked people the Irish deferred the struggle.

Not really. And the British were pretty ruthless in Ireland until the Free State and ultimately the Republic were formed.

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

If the opponant was Hitler Gandhi would have been gassed.

Going a little OT, but in June 1940, Gandhi told the then-Viceroy, Lord Linlithgow, that Britain should resist Hitler's invasion exclusively through non-violent action even if it meant self-annililation, that Hitler was not really a bad man, and that if Britain called off its armed resistance Hitler would "follow suit." Yeah, right. And that strategy is going to work for the Tibetans, too ...

capt_mahajan · Mar 29th, 2008, 09:19

Not comparing anybody with anybody, but the British could be pretty brutal too, at least in India.

just a few examples

-suspected mutineers tied to cannon mouths and blown up after 1857
-Jalianwala Bagh
-Mounted and foot police repeatedly lathi-charging unarmed and non-violent demonstrators, and on countless occasions. Lala Lajpat Rai was just one of the fatalities.
-and, of course, the 'Indian Holocaust'- the Bengal Famine, when a few million were killed.
google "bengal famine indian holocaust" and choose your sources.

Munivar · Mar 29th, 2008, 10:46

^ An argument can be made that as a single entity (the CPC powerfuls) hold the record for killing most people ("great leap forward", "cultural revolution", Tibetan and Uighur genocide, the unnecessary killings of their own soldiers in the Korean war where wave after waves of soldiers were pushed into machine gun fire..etc). Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge and our other friendly neighbor would be followers.

capt_mahajan · Mar 29th, 2008, 10:55

Reading the newspapers here in India, the Government seems to have absolutely capitulated to the Chinese on Tibet.

Besides some usual noises, of course

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A group of Beijing-based diplomats from several countries left for Tibet on a conducted tour on Friday morning but, despite an invitation from the Chinese government, there was no Indian envoy accompanying them
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They (Indian Government sources ) denied a suggestion that India may be boycotting the Tibet tour in reaction to Chinese authorities summoning ambassador Nirupama Rao for talks at 2am last Friday.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/2908843.cms

edwardseco · Mar 29th, 2008, 11:01

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Not comparing anybody with anybody, but the British could be pretty brutal too

Exactly, so when they got a conscience they lost empire..

dzibead · Mar 29th, 2008, 11:42

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

Exactly, so when they got a conscience they lost empire..

That's not why they lost it.

Munivar · Mar 29th, 2008, 13:35

Summoning an ambassador, that too a lady, for "talks" at 2 am.

WTF...I mean...really...W.T.F.

Everyday, the Chinese govt hits a new low.

dzibead · Mar 29th, 2008, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Munivar

Summoning an ambassador, that too a lady, for "talks" at 2 am.

WTF...I mean...really...W.T.F.

Everyday, the Chinese govt hits a new low.

"Talks"! They just wanted to yell at her and humiliate her. See, India, this is the thanks you get for treating China with kid gloves. As somebody on some discussion forum I read said, "she should have just let the phone ring and go to voicemail"

They should have called the Chinese ambassador at 2 a.m. to inform him they were canceling Kamal Nath's trip to Beijing.

edwardseco · Mar 29th, 2008, 14:40

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Exactly, so when they got a conscience they lost empire..

That's not why they lost it.

Yes, I know the pressure on the Brits by the US to dismantle their colonial empire and open those areas up to US trade was intense. Churchill's diaries are very interesting in this regard..

dzibead · Mar 29th, 2008, 14:50

I don't think trade was the motive for pressure from the U.S. And Churchill? Sheesh! I'd take everything he had to say about India, even in supposedly "candid" diaries, with a grain of salt ...

Nick-H · Mar 29th, 2008, 15:29

Plenty on the Brit departure from India in many other threads.

Best we stick to the Tibet issue in this one, I suggest.

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Munivar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 259	^ An argument can be made that as a single entity (the CPC powerfuls) hold the record for killing most people ("great leap forward", "cultural revolution", Tibetan and Uighur genocide, the unnecessary killings of their own soldiers in the Korean war where wave after waves of soldiers were pushed into machine gun fire..etc). Hitler, Stalin, Khmer Rouge and our other friendly neighbor would be followers. __________________ Yaadhum Oore Yaavarum Kaelir !!!

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Mar 29th, 2008, 07:11	#257
pagal_baba Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Belfast, Ireland Posts: 25	Referring to earlier posts on this thread re: Tibetan youth dissatisfied with the non-violent approach to Chinese occupation. I feel with courage and intelligence there is no reason why a Tibetan armed struggle couldn't bring the Chinese to the negotiating table. I live in the north of Ireland(the area occupied by the British) and the IRA were able to fight a predominantly urban guerilla war against the might of the British Army and catalyse the situation to the point were ceasefires led to negotiations which ultimately led to the Catholic citizens of this part of Ireland getting the equal rights they deserved. The IRA fought this war with approx 400 active service members at any one time while the British had from 20-30,000 soldiers/security forces. However, I'm only advocating this approach if the majority of Tibetans suppport it as "War doesn't determine what is right, war determines what is left" and that is something to bear in mind.

Mar 29th, 2008, 08:25	#259
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 4,429	Just to add a note Mao's China holds the record in history for genocide. Its a bit early to presume the ruling regime has developed a conscience..

Mar 29th, 2008, 09:19	#261
capt_mahajan Dis member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 10,874	Not comparing anybody with anybody, but the British could be pretty brutal too, at least in India. just a few examples -suspected mutineers tied to cannon mouths and blown up after 1857 -Jalianwala Bagh -Mounted and foot police repeatedly lathi-charging unarmed and non-violent demonstrators, and on countless occasions. Lala Lajpat Rai was just one of the fatalities. -and, of course, the 'Indian Holocaust'- the Bengal Famine, when a few million were killed. google "bengal famine indian holocaust" and choose your sources.

Mar 29th, 2008, 13:35	#266
Munivar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 259	Summoning an ambassador, that too a lady, for "talks" at 2 am. WTF...I mean...really...W.T.F. Everyday, the Chinese govt hits a new low.

Mar 29th, 2008, 14:50	#269
dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	I don't think trade was the motive for pressure from the U.S. And Churchill? Sheesh! I'd take everything he had to say about India, even in supposedly "candid" diaries, with a grain of salt ...

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