Protests in Tibet

Munivar · Mar 18th, 2008, 06:33

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

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thanks for the info.

Dilliwala · Mar 18th, 2008, 06:44

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Originally Posted by dzibead

Orphans of the Cold War by John Kenneth Knaus is a good book on the Tibetan guerrillas by a guy who was involved in in training them: http://www.amazon.com/Orphans-Americ...5794570&sr=8-1

"America's military aid to Tibet was much more substantial than generally realized, with airdrops of supplies into the interior and the maintenance of 2,000 guerrillas in Mustang, Nepal, throughout the '60s."
And the airdrops were originating from secret RAW/ARC (intelligence) bases in India! USAF planes wud come by and refuel a few times a week.
Yep, despite being in "different camps" so to speak and all the cold-war rhetoric, it's staggering re the level of cooperation between India and USA in the 60s/70s. So much so that I heard from a relative who used to be in the IAF those days, that despite the US Navy steaming up the Bay of Bengal during the Bangladesh war, they wud not have attacked, "just high power games being played".

And now Tibet has been abandoned by India, USA and Nepal.
'Orphans' is right.

dzibead · Mar 18th, 2008, 09:59

And let's not forget Britain, which dropped Tibet like a hot potato in the face of China's takeover, even though Britain had "cultivated" Tibet for decades and actually had a Political Officer assigned to Tibet and Sikkim.

edwardseco · Mar 18th, 2008, 10:20

So much for Sikkim..

Dilliwala · Mar 18th, 2008, 17:44

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Originally Posted by dzibead

And let's not forget Britain, which dropped Tibet like a hot potato in the face of China's takeover, even though Britain had "cultivated" Tibet for decades and actually had a Political Officer assigned to Tibet and Sikkim.

Ah yes, the Great Game.

Personally I wud like to forget Britain's long tradition of forgetting.

Nuff said. Needs a whole new website.

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So much for Sikkim..

U wud prefer it had gone to the PRC instead? They certainly still want it, u know.

vistet · Mar 18th, 2008, 18:24

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Originally Posted by dzibead

..even though Britain had "cultivated" Tibet for decades and actually had a Political Officer assigned to Tibet and Sikkim.

..not to mention the British invasion of Tibet ,
a lot bloodier affair than it´s mostly remembered in the West.

rajiveanand · Mar 18th, 2008, 23:27

I have been teaching about the current events in Tibet in my class this week. Very interesting conversations have emerged from high school students in the Bronx, half a world away!

R.

dzibead · Mar 18th, 2008, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala

Ah yes, the Great Game.

Personally I wud like to forget Britain's long tradition of forgetting.

Nuff said. Needs a whole new website.

U wud prefer it had gone to the PRC instead? They certainly still want it, u know.

Certainly not - and neither would the folks in Sikkim!

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Originally Posted by vistet

..not to mention the British invasion of Tibet ,
a lot bloodier affair than it´s mostly remembered in the West.

And typically whitewashed.

Yes, all part of the Great Game ... which continued to be played down to and including Partition.

Uh oh!

Veering off topic ...

Back to Tibet.

Another website:
http://www.tibetanuprising.com/

And more from the NY Times - mostly background:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/wo...=1 &th&emc=th

vistet · Mar 19th, 2008, 01:12

This is probably a sign of approaching old age , but I find myself increasingly going in to a "letter to the editor"-mode. I was sitting on the bus an hour ago , groaning at the news of the Dalai Lama threatening to resign as head of the exile government - HELLO ! he stepped down from that position a long time ago , they have a fully elected government today.

Some weeks ago the newspapers here had a story (from AFP , so probably published in a lot of other countries) on how the Burmese generals was in the process of designing a law that would make it impossible for Aung San Su Kyii to be eligible , because of her marriage with a foreigner. I had some real problems in self control over that , in refraining to point out that the guy hardly could be a constitutional issue even Absurdistan , sorry Myanmar : the guy passed away nine years ago.

Dilliwala · Mar 19th, 2008, 06:10

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

Consider the realities of backing people in a strategically difficult to reach area immediately accessible by the powerful imperial army. The CIA did this in the 60's to no avail.

To no avail? Please see my post #164. Far from a situation of no avail, Chushi Gangdruk was highly successful in conducting ambushes and raids into occupied Tibet from their base in Mustang. China never had a moment's peace in that area upto '72, when Nixon pulled the CIA out. If it had been to no avail, wud the Chinese govt have thereafter pressurised the Nepal govt to shut the base down?

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It encouraged India to foolishly confront China and that resulted in a humiliating defeat and loss of territory. Better to understand and live with reality..

I'm not sure I follow - when did we confront the Chinese, foolishly or wisely?

wangmo45 · Mar 20th, 2008, 04:14

This is an interesting interview i found. go to www.MeYul.com for the complete interview. i'm sure you'll find this interesting.

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In an exclusive interview to rediff.com’s Managing Editor Sheela Bhatt, Professor Rimpoche (Tibetan's Prime Minister) talked about the dynamics of the Tibet issue and about China and India’s stand on his motherland.

... Read on at http://meyul.com/2008/03/19/if-india...e-tibet-issue/

Moderator note: Replaced full article by URL. Copy-pasting in full of third-party material is not allowed as per this site's Forum Rules. Thanks.

edwardseco · Mar 20th, 2008, 06:33

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I'm not sure I follow - when did we confront the Chinese, foolishly or wisely?

There was like this war...

abracax · Mar 20th, 2008, 07:30

How do you confront a government that rules by savage terror and lies from dawn to dusk? If the Tibetans want to go down fighting rather than be third-class citizens in their own home, that's their right. All we can do is show their murderers that they will never be admitted to the ranks of global humankind until they smarten up. Send our athletes to the Games, yes - but Jeezus X almighty don't nobody else go and spend their tourist bucks for those buggers!

ks_bluechip · Mar 20th, 2008, 10:52

Checkout this link:

Stand with Tibet - Support the Dalai Lama :::: http://www.avaaz.org/en/tibet_end_th...p/?cl=64493271

Dilliwala · Mar 21st, 2008, 23:29

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Originally Posted by edwardseco

There was like this war...

Oh, '62? So let me understand - they come a-invadin', having lied that their troops were only in Aksai Chin to enjoy the nice, sunny weather for a few days and wud leave thereafter (45 years later they're still enjoying the weather - albeit a bit cold at times), we don't like it and try to stop them, and this you call a foolish confrontation? In other words, we shud just let anyone who wants to walk in, becos it wud be foolish not to? Hmmm.
Nope, I still don't follow, ed.

BTW, when wud a confrontation be non-foolish - if Bhutan invades? Perhaps Maldives.

Mar 18th, 2008, 23:27	#172
rajiveanand RAJIVE SADA ANAND, MFA Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bronx, NY, USA Posts: 198	Very Sad Affair... I have been teaching about the current events in Tibet in my class this week. Very interesting conversations have emerged from high school students in the Bronx, half a world away! R. __________________ www.rajiveanand.com

Mar 20th, 2008, 07:30	#178
abracax Mahaguru Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 435	How do you confront a government that rules by savage terror and lies from dawn to dusk? If the Tibetans want to go down fighting rather than be third-class citizens in their own home, that's their right. All we can do is show their murderers that they will never be admitted to the ranks of global humankind until they smarten up. Send our athletes to the Games, yes - but Jeezus X almighty don't nobody else go and spend their tourist bucks for those buggers! __________________ He travels fastest who pays for a cab.

Mar 20th, 2008, 10:52	#179
ks_bluechip Maha Guru Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 1,088	Checkout this link: Stand with Tibet - Support the Dalai Lama :::: http://www.avaaz.org/en/tibet_end_th...p/?cl=64493271 __________________ ks_bluechip [My Travel Blog] [My Flickr Photo Sets]

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dzibead Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 2,207	And let's not forget Britain, which dropped Tibet like a hot potato in the face of China's takeover, even though Britain had "cultivated" Tibet for decades and actually had a Political Officer assigned to Tibet and Sikkim.

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