Protests in Tibet

machadinha

Democratic India stops Tibetan marchers to please Communist China

Phayul [March 10, 2008]:

... Read on at http://www.phayul.com/news/article.a...ina&id= 19488

See also:

Tibetans in New York call for Olympics boycott

Greek police block Tibetan activists Freedom Torch Relay at Ancient Olympia

China Detains Tibetan Monks Protesting on Key Anniversary

5 Hurt As Tibetan Exiles Clash With Police in Kathmandu

Etc., etc., check the regular news portals.

(March 10 marks the Tibetan National Uprising Day, in commemoration of a national uprising in 1959, after which the Dalai Lama and his followers were forced to go into exile.)

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Sama

I've read all these stories, mach, they are also posted on my blog...

and you know how I feel about this situation!

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ISN

Every country wants to maintain good relationship with China, even a powerful country like USA who is the largest trading partner just turns a blind eye to when it come to Tibet.

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the opoponax

Considering that at this point China pretty much owns the US (or could if it called in its trillions in debt relief), yeah, the US pretty much has to do whatever they say.

What's surprising is that India is now apparently in the same boat.

Nick-H

Nobody has ever stood up to China on this.

And China wouldn't care even if they did.

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Sama

since Barack Obama is my Senator, I wrote to him about Tibet. this was his response:

"Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about human rights in the People's Republic of China. I appreciate your perspective on this issue.

As the world's most populous nation, China's influence and power has been growing steadily over the past several decades. This is likely to continue for the foreseeable future, and presents America with challenges and opportunities to seek change.

In particular, China's treatment of ethnic and religious minorities and political dissidents, as well as its relationships with Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Tibet are very troubling. Despite progress over the last few decades, China must do much more to comply with modern human rights norms. I look forward to working with my colleagues on these difficult issues and am deeply committed to promoting human rights in China and other countries.

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and the East Asian Subcommittee, I will keep your thoughts in mind as the discussion on this subject continues.

Thank you again for contacting me. I hope you will continue to keep in touch on this or any other subject of importance to you.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator"


"I will keep your thoughts in mind as the discussion on this subject continues."

yes, I am sure he has quoted the YogaGal in the United States Senate.

but right now he's too busy running for president....

Kingstonian

I seem to read that a lot. Doesn't it mean "Oh, I do so wish China would do more .... if only there was something I could do about it ..."

machadinha

I'm not sure if they're "now" in the same boat.

While India has harbored the Tibetan government in exile and a large refugee community for various reasons, the ramifications have always been naturally complex (not to mention internal and communal tensions that have come with it), and to my knowledge India has never been very keen on it leading to Tibetan activist engagement, let alone expanding across its border. And of course its relationship with China is as precarious as it's been hostile for much of the post-Independence period.

My (but not just my) reading is this also explains in no little part the careful path the Dalai Lama and his exiled goverment have been treading for all those years. It's not just inspired by his fantastic religious or humanitarian insights (and Tibetan Buddhism in my view has plenty going against it in terms of authoritarianism and at least formerly feudalism and so on), and it also explains why they won't openly support more militant factions in Tibet and abroad, which certainly exist. The commemorated uprising in question which lasted for several years was certainly violent btw, and there have been many since. Regardless of my opinion of that, I'm just saying it's not all about pacifism and lofty spiritualism.

The details of India's treatment of the affair are beyond me, just to say I don't think this is new at all as such, and I'm sure those details wouldn't be hard to find with a bit of searching and reading around.

Anyway, do kindly note those protests above have been staged worldwide, not just in India.

crvlvr

To say India is doing this to please China is conjecture. Is phayul.com the official voice of the Tibetan? Or some right wing group? If the tibetans don't like it in India, they are free to leave.

machadinha

The question may be: Where to?

Sorry Crv, I'm not getting this. If a critical article on the issue can't be written...

Pradeep Nayak

Recently I was reading an article by Arun Souri about Arunachal pradesh dispute between India and China, and the failure of the Indian government to look into the matter in proper perspective.

I believe India's apathy to the Tibetan cause (or rather, playing little brother of China) might lend it in deep trouble over the Indian border.

Indian people and the government have to be more careful to avoid a 1962 type situation, which means we have to follow a very clear cut policy on Tibetans and Dalai Lama.

crvlvr

I am all for understanding the facts. Yes, the Indian govt is probably as corrupt as govts get (although out US govt can now givem them a run for their money) But, the article headline "Democratic India stops Tibetan marchers to please Communist China " accuses the Indian govt of wanting to please China but does not offer any facts to support that accusation.

machadinha

Yes, and then you allege they're right-wing and Tibetans should go home if they like (no one implied they do), assuming Phayul is their official platform which you had called into question in the preceding sentence. (Sounds like a typically roundabout right-wing argument to me, but whatever.)

I'm still not getting it. Anyway I passed on some news clips, that's all. You can make of them what you like. I'm sure that one item alone (concerning the action in India) hasn't just been covered by Phayul, check Google News or something, they currently feature 327 articles on it from all kinds of established news sources, Indian ones too, of course. What brought it to my attention is it was on the national news here, for instance. I for one don't like these suggestions we see a lot of on this board that what doesn't please the individual reader should be silenced.

It's a pity I knew when I posted those links they might lead to trouble, even if they were just meant to pass on some information that you might have read in your daily papers anyway.

dzibead

But at least, so far, the U.S. doesn't stop Tibetans from demonstrating, marching and protesting, even though the Chinese bitch about it.

On the other hand, the U.S. hasn't offered any real political/military support to Tibetans since the Kennedy Administration (but then, neither has any other country). Giving the occasional award/certificate/Congressional Gold Medal to the Dalai Lama is just an easy way for politicians in the U.S. and elsewhere to ease their consciences, so they can feel they're doing "something" about the situation in Tibet, even if it's completely useless in real, practical, political terms.

True.

Conjecture? What other motivation could the Indian Govt have for this restriction on peaceful demonstrations? phayul.com isn't the "official voice of the Tibetan" (I assume you mean the "of the Tibetan Government in Exile" - not sure - ?). It's just a private website. But "right wing"? Huh?

And as mach asked, go where? A lot of the Tibetans who would like to protest were born in India and have no legal right to just pick up and go live somewhere else, even Tibet. And India is now restricting the issuance of travel documents to Tibetans so they have difficulty leaving even if they want to. Notwithstanding these obstacles, quite a few Tibetans do regularly try to leave India to seek political asylum in the U.S. and Canada and elsewhere in the West but it's no piece of cake getting asylum in these places. I know, because I have a number of pro bono clients who have done it.

rand0M aXiS

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/..._protest_march


I find this very sad that India is worried about offending the Chinese. Well, at least they still give shelter to the exiled Tibetans.... for now....

THANKS Mods, I forgot to do a search before posting. I shall now read thru this thread carefully...

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