Pakistan

volga_volga · Jul 18th, 2004, 22:43

Dacota, this incident is just what it is - an incident. i wouldn't pluralise it into "troubleS". but of course our definition of "dangerous" varies from person to person. so yes, i am still going, but in september, many many weeks away

my itinerary is somewhere on this thread, a few posts back.

btw i have stocked up on old books on Pakistan, and i mean OLD ie the earliest is 1955-published account of Pakistan 1953-travel by Ian Stephenson, a former editor of The Statesman in Calcutta who quit HM Service in 1950s and took six months off to travel to Pakistan... who crossed the LOK into Indian Kashmir also, on a special permission of Indian Government. Facsinating!! (small small print: i find he is more sympathetic to Pakistan than to India). the book is called "Horned Moon"

the other books are even older, all about the same region, the oldest is 1897... with a map of undivided Kashmir and adjuscent "unexplored" territories. It is called "Where three empires meet", the three empires being Russia, China and Britain!! how times change

and i am still waiting for my Pakistan Footprint guide which is somewhere in the seamail across the Atlantic

Dakota · Jul 18th, 2004, 23:44

Volga_Volga,
I hope such incidents don´t occur often.

I have FP´s Pakistan (1999 edition). I know the new one will only be out end of August/early Sept. So, I´ll travel with the "old" one.
Across the Atlantic? I thought you live in GB.

Happy & safe travels.

Dakota · Jul 18th, 2004, 23:58

Sorry, I haven´t replied to your other question. No, I am not going to Lahore. I fly into Islamabad and will make my way up to Gilgit and further north.

volga_volga · Jul 19th, 2004, 17:04

Quote:

Originally posted by Dakota
I have FP´s Pakistan (1999 edition). I know the new one will only be out end of August/early Sept. So, I´ll travel with the "old" one.
Across the Atlantic? I thought you live in GB.

Happy & safe travels.

yep i live in GB but the FP 1999 edition was only available second hand from amazon US... so, if you happen to return before i leave, and my book does not arrive (it has been a month already since i ordered) I'd appreciate if i could borrow yours...

Dakota · Jul 19th, 2004, 21:22

Hi Volga_volga,
You can get 1999 edition directly from FP (costs 13.99 £; the new one will be £ 12.99; if bought directly from FP)

I am due to return on 26th Sept.
I only have copies of certain pages (the places I want to visit) as I borrowed the book from a friend. But I could fax them to you. ?

volga_volga · Jul 19th, 2004, 21:42

thanks Dakota, i may ask for the fax later, but i'll wait a few more weeks for my guide (i didn't know i could get one from FP direct) i have friends from Pakistan if i don't have a list of guesthouses i'll opt for home stays

Mistral · Jul 20th, 2004, 03:56

I wanted to thanks with Maree and all the other for the thread. I want to visit Pakistan soon, specially Chitral area.
I like this forum!

Dakota · Jul 20th, 2004, 14:32

Volga_volga, just contact FP directly. You´l get all the info, and all the guide books you want really quickly (after all they are based in GB).

Does anyone know if there is really still a curfew in Gilgit? The last I hear was it was lifted a while back. Yet Britain´s travel advisory site still cites it. ?

slowbus · Jul 20th, 2004, 21:57

The curfew was lifted on June 16th.

By the way, don't rely too heavily on government travel advisories. They're worth reading, but tend to err on the side of caution (e.g. "don't leave home or else you will die"). They also tend to dwell on incidents that occured in the distant past (e.g., "don't go to that place because there was an explosion in 1953").

You'll meet many Pakistanis who will rant for hours about the negative treatment their country has received from governmental travel advisories. It is pretty hard to reconcile the advisories with reality.

Dakota · Jul 21st, 2004, 14:41

Thaks slowbus.

volga_volga · Sep 6th, 2004, 13:16

Greetings from the Other Side of the Moon

honest i don"t understand why travellers are reluctant to come here as, compared to In dia, travel in (Northerm Areas of) Pakistan is a piece of cake

and the worst thing that can happen to me here is being put on a plane back home

well internet access leaves much to be desired may be that"s why

Pakistanis are sendin their best reards to Indians

Betsy Lotze · Sep 7th, 2004, 00:47

Volga

So glad you are enjoying Pakistan! If you get the chance, visit Murree. It is a beautiful hill station where my family has friends and many fond memories!

volga_volga · Sep 8th, 2004, 17:07

meera, first you should change your attitude

and start thinking of not how to spend pocket money but of greater things... otherwise you might as well go to Dubai

nirav · Sep 8th, 2004, 21:00

Hi, fun, the only thing I have to say at the moment is that I am planning to cross-borders soon between India Pakistan and am real excited about it. Before the end of the year I should make it, so that's all I got to say at the moment!

Jul 18th, 2004, 22:43	#31
volga_volga Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,459	Dacota, this incident is just what it is - an incident. i wouldn't pluralise it into "troubleS". but of course our definition of "dangerous" varies from person to person. so yes, i am still going, but in september, many many weeks away my itinerary is somewhere on this thread, a few posts back. btw i have stocked up on old books on Pakistan, and i mean OLD ie the earliest is 1955-published account of Pakistan 1953-travel by Ian Stephenson, a former editor of The Statesman in Calcutta who quit HM Service in 1950s and took six months off to travel to Pakistan... who crossed the LOK into Indian Kashmir also, on a special permission of Indian Government. Facsinating!! (small small print: i find he is more sympathetic to Pakistan than to India). the book is called "Horned Moon" the other books are even older, all about the same region, the oldest is 1897... with a map of undivided Kashmir and adjuscent "unexplored" territories. It is called "Where three empires meet", the three empires being Russia, China and Britain!! how times change and i am still waiting for my Pakistan Footprint guide which is somewhere in the seamail across the Atlantic __________________ Tibetan Orphanage School in China My other favourite place is Pakistan Travel Forum

Jul 20th, 2004, 03:56	#37
Mistral Don't die wondering! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North West Italy Posts: 47	I wanted to thanks with Maree and all the other for the thread. I want to visit Pakistan soon, specially Chitral area. I like this forum! __________________ The question is not what you look at but what you see My photo gallery

Sep 6th, 2004, 13:16	#41
volga_volga Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,459	Pakistan!!!!! Greetings from the Other Side of the Moon honest i don"t understand why travellers are reluctant to come here as, compared to In dia, travel in (Northerm Areas of) Pakistan is a piece of cake and the worst thing that can happen to me here is being put on a plane back home well internet access leaves much to be desired may be that"s why Pakistanis are sendin their best reards to Indians

Sep 8th, 2004, 21:00	#44
nirav Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 6	Fun! Crossing the borders Pakistan to India and back Hi, fun, the only thing I have to say at the moment is that I am planning to cross-borders soon between India Pakistan and am real excited about it. Before the end of the year I should make it, so that's all I got to say at the moment!

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Jul 18th, 2004, 23:44	#32
Dakota Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 72	Volga_Volga, I hope such incidents don´t occur often. I have FP´s Pakistan (1999 edition). I know the new one will only be out end of August/early Sept. So, I´ll travel with the "old" one. Across the Atlantic? I thought you live in GB. Happy & safe travels.

Jul 18th, 2004, 23:58	#33
Dakota Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 72	Sorry, I haven´t replied to your other question. No, I am not going to Lahore. I fly into Islamabad and will make my way up to Gilgit and further north.

Jul 19th, 2004, 21:22	#35
Dakota Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 72	Hi Volga_volga, You can get 1999 edition directly from FP (costs 13.99 £; the new one will be £ 12.99; if bought directly from FP) I am due to return on 26th Sept. I only have copies of certain pages (the places I want to visit) as I borrowed the book from a friend. But I could fax them to you. ?

Jul 19th, 2004, 21:42	#36
volga_volga Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,459	thanks Dakota, i may ask for the fax later, but i'll wait a few more weeks for my guide (i didn't know i could get one from FP direct) i have friends from Pakistan if i don't have a list of guesthouses i'll opt for home stays

Jul 20th, 2004, 14:32	#38
Dakota Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 72	Volga_volga, just contact FP directly. You´l get all the info, and all the guide books you want really quickly (after all they are based in GB). Does anyone know if there is really still a curfew in Gilgit? The last I hear was it was lifted a while back. Yet Britain´s travel advisory site still cites it. ?

Jul 20th, 2004, 21:57	#39
slowbus Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 67	The curfew was lifted on June 16th. By the way, don't rely too heavily on government travel advisories. They're worth reading, but tend to err on the side of caution (e.g. "don't leave home or else you will die"). They also tend to dwell on incidents that occured in the distant past (e.g., "don't go to that place because there was an explosion in 1953"). You'll meet many Pakistanis who will rant for hours about the negative treatment their country has received from governmental travel advisories. It is pretty hard to reconcile the advisories with reality.

Jul 21st, 2004, 14:41	#40
Dakota Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 72	Thaks slowbus.

Sep 7th, 2004, 00:47	#42
Betsy Lotze Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bakersfield, CA Posts: 41	Volga So glad you are enjoying Pakistan! If you get the chance, visit Murree. It is a beautiful hill station where my family has friends and many fond memories!

Sep 8th, 2004, 17:07	#43
volga_volga Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,459	meera, first you should change your attitude and start thinking of not how to spend pocket money but of greater things... otherwise you might as well go to Dubai

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