William Dalrymple on Goa - The Long Goodbye

Alan D · Jul 10th, 2004, 19:12

Dalrymple seems particularly prolific at the moment - possibly he's having a break from researching. This is the second article posted here in the past week.

From today's Guardian newspaper.

http://travel.guardian.co.uk/countri...257662,00.html

Rob_The_Pom · Jul 10th, 2004, 20:33

Another splendid article from my favourite travel writer!

Thanks Alan D!

RTP

Jorge Reverter · Jul 11th, 2004, 00:00

It looks like propaganda. In general W. Dalrymple opinions are not as much appreciates in India as in Europe. In any case always interesting.

Jorge

bijapuri · Jul 11th, 2004, 01:47

plus de la change . . . .
Dona grouses that morals have decayed, while a few paragraphs up the lack of same in earlier times is retold with relish by the author. Personally, I enjoyed every minute of helping in the process in my 20's, while in my 50's am currently avoiding Goa for the same reasons that drew me there as a youth! I never knew that walking around non compos mentis in a loincloth all winter on Anjuna would turn out to be a resume builder for my career as an addictions counselor. Isn't life full of surprises!

Wanderer22 · Jul 11th, 2004, 02:26

Quote:

Originally posted by bijapuri
I never knew that walking around non compos mentis in a loincloth all winter on Anjuna would turn out to be a resume builder for my career as an addictions counselor. Isn't life full of surprises!

Bij. Had to look up "Non compos mentis" Good term, must remember it.
http://www.bartleby.com/62/59/N1035900.html

Once read a humorous article that claimed drinking sped up brain function by killing off the slower weak cells. Only the strong and fast survive. Sounds like you are one of the strong.

W22

Rob_The_Pom · Jul 13th, 2004, 00:10

#3 - I'm wondering what you think that this is proganda?

Whether you agree with it or not Dalrymple express his views and thoughts in an extremely articulate fashion.
If he isn't popular in India (most probably with the Govt) it is because he doesn't express anthing resembling a Hindu nationalist point of view. He certainly isn't an apologist for Colonialism either.

indiamike · Jul 13th, 2004, 00:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Rob_The_Pom
Another splendid article from my favourite travel writer!

Thanks Alan D!

RTP

I must be the only one here who thinks Dalrymple is just a complete bore

(no offence anyone).

Maybe I haven't read enough of him but his book 'City of Djinns' I consider pure torture

and do consider it the cure for insomnia.

Sorry, don't mean to offend his fans.

Mike

Rob_The_Pom · Jul 13th, 2004, 01:20

I think City of Djinns is probably his least interesting book. The Age of Kali and From the Holy Mountain are much better reads.
White Moghuls is excellent if you like history.

Mike, I'll forgive you!!!!

I'm just a little narked and confused at why #3 thinks the article is propoganda!!!!?????!!!!

Jorge Reverter · Jul 13th, 2004, 02:15

In general when reading "...there is no hunger inGoa, no beggars, little poverty abd as a result, virtually no crime"
"... Goa remains a rare haven of peace, sense and proportion"
and so on... I've got the same feeling as I was reading a tourist brochure.

Probably as I only know W. Dalrymple books through spanish translations....

bijapuri · Jul 13th, 2004, 02:46

couldn't finish White Mughal, too boring
Couldn't put down city of Djinns, fascinating

No crime? No beggars? whatever . . .
End of credibility, Back to worshiping Paul
Theroux and his most recent work, Dark Star Safari,
even tho it's not about India

smells like WD got a comp at a 5-star and wrote his paean to pay for it

Mandsaur · Jul 13th, 2004, 04:21

Well I think William Dalrymple is a talented writer who deserves the accolades he receives. I really liked "City of Djinns" and am currently getting into "White Mughals".

As to this Goa story, it doesn't say so but it's actually taken from a compendium of short stories called "Travelers Tales: India". Also includes Andrew Harvey, Madhur Jaffrey, and many others. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone looking for light travel reading--seems like it'd be perfect for that long flight...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...oks&n=507 846

Apana · Jul 13th, 2004, 10:50

Let me join the few who dare to oppose the universal admiration that Dalrymple is treated with. I forget which book I started to read but I generally don't like travel books where every Indian the author meets speaks a quaint sort of pidgin English.

Apana

jpvs · Jul 13th, 2004, 22:14

Darymple seems to revel in pointing out that the colonies were always better before india 'invaded' them - in one article its goa, Hyderabad is another - read his pieces in travelintelligence for more.

volga_volga · Jul 13th, 2004, 23:01

to tilt the balance slightly back in favour of Dalrymple i LOVED City of Djins (may be you need to get to know Delhi a bit to appreciate the book). it was my FIRST India-themed book ever - bought towards the end of the India trip #3 - and since then there is no stopping of me. Yep, in the last 2.5 months my reading did not move away from the India theme

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Alan D Maha Guru Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Southampton UK Posts: 1,866	William Dalrymple on Goa - The Long Goodbye Dalrymple seems particularly prolific at the moment - possibly he's having a break from researching. This is the second article posted here in the past week. From today's Guardian newspaper. http://travel.guardian.co.uk/countri...257662,00.html

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Jul 11th, 2004, 00:00	#3
Jorge Reverter Maha Guru Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Murcia - Spain Posts: 1,213	It looks like propaganda. In general W. Dalrymple opinions are not as much appreciates in India as in Europe. In any case always interesting. Jorge

Jul 13th, 2004, 00:10	#6
Rob_The_Pom offcourse essentric Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 1,299	#3 - I'm wondering what you think that this is proganda? Whether you agree with it or not Dalrymple express his views and thoughts in an extremely articulate fashion. If he isn't popular in India (most probably with the Govt) it is because he doesn't express anthing resembling a Hindu nationalist point of view. He certainly isn't an apologist for Colonialism either.

Jul 13th, 2004, 01:20	#8
Rob_The_Pom offcourse essentric Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seoul, South Korea Posts: 1,299	I think City of Djinns is probably his least interesting book. The Age of Kali and From the Holy Mountain are much better reads. White Moghuls is excellent if you like history. Mike, I'll forgive you!!!! I'm just a little narked and confused at why #3 thinks the article is propoganda!!!!?????!!!!

Jul 13th, 2004, 02:15	#9
Jorge Reverter Maha Guru Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Murcia - Spain Posts: 1,213	In general when reading "...there is no hunger inGoa, no beggars, little poverty abd as a result, virtually no crime" "... Goa remains a rare haven of peace, sense and proportion" and so on... I've got the same feeling as I was reading a tourist brochure. Probably as I only know W. Dalrymple books through spanish translations....

Jul 13th, 2004, 02:46	#10
bijapuri laid traps for troubadours Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Priustan Posts: 2,598	couldn't finish White Mughal, too boring Couldn't put down city of Djinns, fascinating No crime? No beggars? whatever . . . End of credibility, Back to worshiping Paul Theroux and his most recent work, Dark Star Safari, even tho it's not about India smells like WD got a comp at a 5-star and wrote his paean to pay for it

Jul 13th, 2004, 04:21	#11
Mandsaur Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 140	Well I think William Dalrymple is a talented writer who deserves the accolades he receives. I really liked "City of Djinns" and am currently getting into "White Mughals". As to this Goa story, it doesn't say so but it's actually taken from a compendium of short stories called "Travelers Tales: India". Also includes Andrew Harvey, Madhur Jaffrey, and many others. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone looking for light travel reading--seems like it'd be perfect for that long flight... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...oks&n=507 846

Jul 13th, 2004, 10:50	#12
Apana Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 147	Let me join the few who dare to oppose the universal admiration that Dalrymple is treated with. I forget which book I started to read but I generally don't like travel books where every Indian the author meets speaks a quaint sort of pidgin English. Apana

Jul 13th, 2004, 22:14	#13
jpvs Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: India Posts: 87	Darymple seems to revel in pointing out that the colonies were always better before india 'invaded' them - in one article its goa, Hyderabad is another - read his pieces in travelintelligence for more.

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