Will you be cancelling your coming holidays to India?

mridula

Samantha so how did you find your escape to India?

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Redmarsy

I am not sure if it was really well understood what I was trying to say. What I wanted to say is that the way they organized the attacks shows that they planned to create a worldly impact.

Yes this is theorizing.


Theorizing, isn't that what you are, understandably, doing when you choose not to believe the statement of the British guy, because no other medium/tv channel has spoken to him. (and FYI: many other mediachannels have mentioned him, just type in brits and americans were targeted mumbai at google) and you'll find his name mentioned at several channels)

I am not saying it is definitely true what he said, although, again, I do not see what his motivation would be for saying that when it is not true.

Maybe:

they did not speak to anyone else, because most people that were in direct contact with the terrorist were wounded our dead.

Maybe:

they thought one witness was enough.

Maybe, maybe, well, we will never know for sure, will we? To me, it is not about choosing what to believe, it is about knowing what could be true and be realistic about every option.

I am aware that of those killed, many where Muslim, and most were Indian. I am also aware that Leopold's is owned by a Muslim.

I am not saying that I believe that they ONLY targeted Brits and Americans. I think the terrorist groups behind this attack, probably LeT with links to Al Quaida, saw an "opportunity" to target all of his enemies at once.

My theory (yes, it is a theory) is that they wanted to target Indians and India as a country, its tourist industry and thus its tourists (wherever they came from), the countries that are fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, through its nationals, as well as Israel, a country that islamic extremists refuse to recognise, through its nationals.

I don't think they were very selective in their shootings, like I said before, I think they were shooting around without regards at whom they were shooting at, to create anxiety, which would make it easier for them to continue their attack. And actually, I doubt their solidarity with muslims in general, they may feel that any muslim that is not fighting with them can just as well be dead. I even question their affinity with the Islam in general, as they, very clearly, do not understand what this religion means.

Bottom line: I think that they WERE selective in the places they targeted, and that several terrorists groups have a very well thought out plan before they attack, especially AL Quaida, and understand human psychology very well: they understand how to brainwash poor people that feel to have no way out and they understand how to create a maximum amount of fear.

It's up to us to show that we see right through them.

jodiesner

We will leave tomorrow evening from Europe to Trivandrum. I mentioned in this forum that we won't cancel after the horrible attacks from Mumbai. But since that I take a daily look on the homepage on Times of India and the results of th polls. I have to confess that I am shocked that almost 80% of the readers would say yes to a military strike against Pakistan. ARE YOU CRAZY???? 2 nations supplied with nuclear arms? And then I fear really the danger of some kind of civil war in India. Hindu fanatics (for example Thackeray and other people with an IQ below room temperature) against Moslems...
It seems to be that fanatics (by the way all over the world, not only in India) have nothing learned out of history. After each war and riots there will be a ceasefire. Left are a lot of dead people, mostly civilians and hate. For decades and centuries.. .
"Distrust all people in whom the impulse to punish is powerful" (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Redmarsy

please have a look at those links

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2UJLzyyOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0z4DS4ruo0

It is not to proof I am right, because like I said...nothing is for sure, it is just for everyone to be as informed as possible

Dilliwala

It's ok to feel scared. But think about this - how long you waited for your trip to happen, and how much you were/are looking forward to it (first time if I'm not mistaken?). And the disappointment if you really do cancel. Who knows for when you can reschedule, and will the country REALLY be safer then?
Like I've said a few times (in response to other attacks this year) - if it's not your turn, it's not your turn. I know it may seem cynical, but as a resident I don't see any other way of looking at it (without going paranoid, that is).

Whatever else civil/communal war will NOT be happening. The Shiv Sena is a fringe party on the national scale in any case. You have quoted figures in favour of attacking Pakistan (I refer you to similar figures in USA right after 9/11 for attacking "the enemy"), you cannot describe that as an abnormal reaction in the circumstances. Suffice to say there won't be a war.
To top that 80%, over 90% of Indians do not want civil war, becos they realise, among other things, that that's EXACTLY what the perpetrators want to see. So you needn't worry on that front.

jodiesner

Thank you for your reply. But I ask myself where to attack those "enemies". The terrorists from 9/11 were mostly Saudia Arabian ("friends" of USA) and some of them lived here in Germany before. So fortunately either Saudi Arabia or Germany was attacked during "war on terror".
What did George Bush's government attack later? Iraq, which had no (direct) influence on the things happened on 9/11 and "arguments and facts" by American Sevret Servises were faked.... And what are the results of this attacks? They produced 100.000 cicil deaths and produced new voulunteers for Al Kaida.
The task for all should be to fight against terror. But nor only with weapons. That never has been attacked. It is like cutting weeds. It will grow as long again and again up to you take a look to the roots of that weed. And the eyes of Indian government should not only be focussed on Pakistan. We use in Germany a proverb: You should use the brush first in front of your door.
So no war makes sense, either one between you and your neighbour or riots betwenn the religions. Punish the guilty elements, but avoid hurting or killing innocents as "revenge"!!!

diane123

Hi-Dilliwala I'm glad you said what you did about being scared.It's true and at the same time reassuring, and about the rest I sincerely hope you are right.

Dilliwala

So do I.

burf

i am glad that some have not canceled their plans

some who did, it is understandable. i am not really sure if i would have gone to NY on 12th of sep. i might have or i might not

but thanks everybody who planned to come to india

TheFoolOnTheHill

Thanks for the second link - I've not seen that earlier.

At this point, with so much media manipulation, I have to admit I don;t know what to think! Except that India is definitely a soft target by all accounts.

I'm confused over the Chabad House killings - they knew how to find it. What did they hope to archive by targeting the visiting Jews? Too many questions! Not many answers!

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Redmarsy

Hi Fool on the Hill (funny name by the way )

No problem, that's what IndiaMike's for, right?

Well, about that house, like I said in one of my previous posts, I guess they saw an "opportunity" to also target Israel. A country of which its true existence is most certainly denied by the terrorists. Most extreme (so-called islamic) people deny the state of israel. We could go in-depth about the situation in Israel and its position in the Middle East, but that's probably too much off-topic.
Some of the terrorist groups write in their emails in which they claim the attacks that they want to 'punish all disbelievers of islam' and 'all countries in which muslims are surpressed by non-muslims.'

I guess that could explain why they targeted that house.

Indeed, India is a soft target. Still over 3 million foreigners visit the country every year, and most return back safely. Let's hope all those travellers on IM do as well. Be safe, guys.

TheFoolOnTheHill

I got to go through the thread much later...

lmanley9330

We are leaving today for a month long trip to India. There is no way that I am staying home. I did alter my plans due to the recent attack on Mumbai. I am a little nervous, but look at it like this, "nobody stopped going to New York after 9/11".

Kangaroo1

Redmarsy

Khak

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