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rahulmalik Jul 19th, 2016 02:21

Should I give alms and food to beggars or not ?
 
I tried posting this question earlier but somehow it did not get through. Therefore I am posting it again.

I have traveled India alot and wherever I go, I find beggars. A lot of them. No wonder I end up giving some palms or food to some of them. But, recently i was reading this article which has some tips about India and it says we should not do so.

The money given to beggars do not go to their pockets but to their handlers and mafia. Moreover the food we buy for them, gets returned to the shopkeeper in exchange for a commission.

I wanted to know if this is true ?

What do you think guys, should we give the beggars our money and food. ?

Matka Jul 19th, 2016 09:41

Does the begging mafia exist? At least in Delhi, the government says no, the police say yes.

http://indianexpress.com/article/ind...mafia-2904946/

My opinion, based on living in a highly commercial and tourist frequented area, is yes. The begging mafia exists and performs acts of unspeakable cruelty, like drugging babies so that their mother for the day can beg undisturbed.

RPG Jul 19th, 2016 10:07

What are palms? The only meaning I am aware of is in the picture below:
http://kingofwallpapers.com/palms/palms-006.jpg


Do you mean alms i.e. money?

PS I travel a lot in India and rarely see beggars other than at temples and such. Do not encourage begging by giving them anything. Also don't hand out pens or candy to children. Much discussed in other threads so no need to start another argument.

RahulDeva Jul 19th, 2016 10:20

It's a well organized mafia. I know of pathetic looking frail, old beggars being brought by auto by well dressed handlers. I also used to give out money but have stopped now. Regarding food, if the person is looking hungry, I buy or give him something whenever possible. But at tourist places and temples, even this is a racket. My dad got conned once in hardwar, a beggar approached him for food, dad took him to a shop. The shopkeeper asked him to visit the temple, while he feeds him. On return he was presented with a bill of 50 Rs. That was in 1985. Say 500 Rs today.

vaibhav_arora Jul 19th, 2016 11:32

@RPG - You beat me to it. I was going to ask the OP - in response to the title -
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should I give palms
"coconut or date?" :D

Golghar Jul 19th, 2016 12:49

One should de-activate auto-correct. OP's gizmo has probably never heard of "alms".

ananda2193 Jul 19th, 2016 20:26

See the movie Slumdog Millionaire about the begger mafia. Many India truths in that movie.

OldandRambling Jul 19th, 2016 20:41

My feeling is that we all have to live somehow. Even if not all of the cash or food donated goes to the needy, some of it will... They have to be kept alive to beg. My thoughts are to give banana or such, rather than cash.
If society is able to feed and protect the weakest, no need for begging. Until that day, mouths need feeding.

I understand the argument that giving is perpetuating the begging, but letting people go hungry when they have no alternative to begging, is not so good either.

Ed.

Nick-H Jul 19th, 2016 20:54

Surely we have this covered in other threads?

Anyway... apart from the occasional individual, it's a job. The person taking your cash does not get it --- but neither does the shop assistant. It is a job and a horrible one, so I have some sympathy.

Actually, although I reserve the right to observe it or not, as I wish, at any time, this is my personal code... I give to the obviously disabled; I give to the obviously mentally ill; I give to the old. It is my personal weakness, and no credit to me at all, but I sometimes give to pretty girls.

iamsomnath Jul 19th, 2016 23:09

It is absolutely mindless to give any alms to a needy you don't know. They drug kids, so that they can't cry throughout the 12 hour shifts their "moms" carry them, in 42 C heat . The kids die and are promptly replaced. One way to help the poor is to help someone you know , by funding food, education or some such. Otherwise most of the times some gang is being paid.

vaibhav_arora Jul 19th, 2016 23:13

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Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1975218)
I give to the obviously mentally ill; .

We should meet, soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1975218)
I give to the obviously disabled;

I have had pain in the foot for a while now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1975218)
I sometimes give to pretty girls.

Nothing that can't be overcome by a little dress....:naughty:

Golghar Jul 19th, 2016 23:32

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora (Post 1975240)
Nothing that can't be overcome by a little dress....:naughty:

I didn't realize you were into cross-dressing!

Hooray! The title's been corrected.

ananda2193 Jul 19th, 2016 23:33

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Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1975218)
I sometimes give to pretty girls.

Would that happen to be when your in Calcutta's Red Light district?:lookaroun

Nick-H Jul 20th, 2016 00:07

Yes, Somnnath, I think you are right. I do not give to baby carriers --- unless they are alone and way off the begging beaten tracks.

We don't see pet-monkey beggars any longer, and I'm guessing it is because people simple stopped supporting that cruelty. it is time to do the same with the children.

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One way to help the poor is to help someone you know , by funding food, education or some such.
Yes, I do that. And I never give money to the people that collar me and start out on a long spiel about the charity they run, and people just give what they can afford, and anything I can give blah blah. There's one guy who has approached me three times, over several years. He never gets anything from me, but, like a good cold caller, never gives up. I wonder why he always picks on the non-Indian in the vicinity? Maybe I'll ask him next time. In fact, maybe I should ask him to contribute to one of my charitable causes. Anything he can afford. (I have absolutely no evidence that he is not genuine and sincere. But then, I have no evidence that he is. And when I say that my charity budget is absolutely used up, it is all too true.)

There's one street guy, mentally ill, I think, that I've been seeing for years. It used to be Rs5, now I give him ten. Every few months I come across him somewhere and he just holds his hand out and I put Rs10 in it and he goes away. One of my local friends shouted at him to go away: I said, no no, it's ok: it's a long-established relationship! Actually, longer than my marriage!

iamsomnath Jul 20th, 2016 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H (Post 1975255)
Yes, Somnnath, I think you are right. I do not give to baby carriers --- unless they are alone and way off the begging beaten tracks.

We don't see pet-monkey beggars any longer, and I'm guessing it is because people simple stopped supporting that cruelty. it is time to do the same with the children.



Yes, I do that. And I never give money to the people that collar me and start out on a long spiel about the charity they run, and people just give what they can afford, and anything I can give blah blah. There's one guy who has approached me three times, over several years. He never gets anything from me, but, like a good cold caller, never gives up. I wonder why he always picks on the non-Indian in the vicinity? Maybe I'll ask him next time. In fact, maybe I should ask him to contribute to one of my charitable causes. Anything he can afford. (I have absolutely no evidence that he is not genuine and sincere. But then, I have no evidence that he is. And when I say that my charity budget is absolutely used up, it is all too true.)

There's one street guy, mentally ill, I think, that I've been seeing for years. It used to be Rs5, now I give him ten. Every few months I come across him somewhere and he just holds his hand out and I put Rs10 in it and he goes away. One of my local friends shouted at him to go away: I said, no no, it's ok: it's a long-established relationship! Actually, longer than my marriage!

Yes Nick , I agree . After all we all are humans. No set rules for ourselves. We can surely connect with the truly needy, often not, the old man surely incapable to stand on his own, the old woman so helpless, the kids , the list goes on. Many a times, I myself payafter allowing "benefit of doubt" , later to be proved wrong :D. Just appeal to everyone that don't pay to someone behaving as if a part of a common scam , for the rest , be kind :)


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