Ravishankar and Osho - Godmen or conmen?

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#16 May 8th, 2010, 10:09
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Yeah, Guru means Teacher doesn't it.?
Not Ego driven Pseudo Deity.

Like you say, I wonder where they'll all be in 50 years.
Who was around fifty years ago, apart from Swami Vivekananda.?

There must have been some. Swami Aurobindo, can't think of any more.
Maybe they're all in a Guru retirement home somewhere, unable to die, and equally unable to reconcile their beliefs with any other of the residents.

I'd pay money to be a fly on the wall in a place like that.
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Vivekananda and Ramana were not shams. A guru needs 500 years to be evaluated.
#18 May 15th, 2010, 23:18
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Are they allowed to take the money during that evaluation period?
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No, it means guide.Someone who can guide you from the dark to the light.
That's why you should be wary of anyone who say's they can teach you "The Way" (especially for money!)there's nothing to learn or teach, it's more about unlearning.KK
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Never. If they need food, they should put their bowl before them, not even beg for it, take whatever is dropped in the bowl, take what does not take away from other people, like the hindu, jain, and buddhist monks are supposed to do. They should eat once a day. They should not need anything else.
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But... If we admit that, for these people, "guru" means "lifestyle consultant", then they can go on accumulating their wealth just as those who bear this kind of tag elsewere in the world do.

I recall being taken by a friend to a public lecture (or "advertisment") by some Californian occultist/psychologist/consultant. Whilst he had some interesting things to say, the fees for the group/individual sessions/events were huge. Enlightenment for the wealthy.
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I just heard from the Ashram that Sri Sri has had a vision, that "gurus" and their followers are to go through a period of doubt and ridicule by the public at large. His followers are asked to grin and bear it, it too, will pass.

Funny, since I left, I haven't had a moment of doubt, or worry.
It could be the grace of the GURU, or I could just have a bit of confidence in myself.
So hard to tell.
Anyone know a good Guru I can ask.?
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must it be a living one?

hmm, I know a guy who seems to have found a reasonably normal one though
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Originally Posted by palerider View Post .. that Sri Sri has had a vision, that "gurus" and their followers are to go through a period of doubt and ridicule by the public at large. His followers are asked to grin and bear it, it too, will pass.
All gurus say so, how else can they hold their pupils in midst of public criticism.

Be your own guru.
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I wasn't actually serious about asking a guru.
Sri Sri cured me of any Gurus for a while.
Thanks guys.

We have a saying in Australia.
"He was as warm and genuine as a Mother in Law's kiss"
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Now, now. You are denigrating mother-in-laws. They are wonderful ladies, who in India have entrusted a son or daughter in your care. They have made your life enjoyable. We thank them.
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There's more than few that deserve to be denigrated!

(Some recipes call for freshly denigrated mother-in-law)
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Not mine mate, I'm batting for the other team.

Oh, it was a joke.
Denigration is part of Australian Humour.
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Guru questions

According to the ancient Indian tradition a guru's guidance is only 25% and 25% one has to get from observations, 25% from questions asked and 25% from himself.A guru's words are to be accepted fully only after being convinced of the truth of the matter and one is not asked to blindly follow the Guru. A guru can only guide the disciple.
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So I didn't have to sell his courses on the train to unsuspecting indian people?.

After looking for the ones who seemed more "in need".?aka miserable.
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