Ravishankar and Osho - Godmen or conmen?

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#151 Sep 10th, 2010, 01:58
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Smile osho and/or Ravishankar

India has become a vast and very potential market for "GURUS".It's very dangerous fusion of Religious & Medical practice as no any authentic degree is required.Yogas and asanas are very old in India discovered by Rishi Patanjali and Vipasana was Practiced by The Buddha.Since then anyone twist some degree left/right,up/down and claims to be unique & the best.These are all marketing gimmicks.Practice which you feel comfortable for you under the instruction of a certified instructor only and don't blindly follow the best.
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Who certifies the certified?
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The certifier
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Well, err... right. Glad we got that sorted out!
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Originally Posted by palerider View Post Sri Sri has warned all his flock that they are going through a time when all will turn against him and Gurus in General.
Have I heard that before also? Long time since I read the Bible.
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The certifier
The Image Maker.
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certified instructor

Nick is right! ho sertifies, the certified?
Whereas, the one who stays witha guru and learns , has much and more knowledge than 'the certified' ones.
In certain schools and institutions, we find near novices teaching and can never take you further in any spehere.
But i accept what you say as to twisitng a bit here and there and calling it as unique.
But that is business.
Like many of the consumer ads say "20 grams absolutely free"
How can something be free at all.
It is a gimmick, and this fits into such a category only.
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In fact certificates on the wall are surely most likely to belong to the more commercial organisations?

The archetypal guy in a mountain cave isn't going to be running off certificates from his laser printer
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post In fact certificates on the wall are surely most likely to belong to the more commercial organisations?

The archetypal guy in a mountain cave isn't going to be running off certificates from his laser printer
well, based on what a wellness center owner (an old school friend of mine)told me about people attending yoga classes they would probably not be very interested in the "Himalayan guy"- Even the instructor gets frustrated by not being able to go beyond the simple things. Actually they need him more as a focus, someone who will make them practice a little, a place to come to twice a week, stretch a bit, talk a bit with other girls and so on in off-season (we are a tourist destination so many people have a lot of free time in off-season)... seems it is a different scene than the old "spiritual" one, at least in this instance. But than I did not enter a yoga class for many years now so it's just hear-say.
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Originally Posted by Aupmanyav View Post Have I heard that before also? Long time since I read the Bible.
Jeez, forgot about that. Hmmmm. Sri Sri uses bits from everywhere. A bit of Q'ran, a bit of bible, a bit of buddha, small helping of Hindu, some day calender quotes, some from AA, a lot of things. Not a lot of original thought.
People seem to like a snappy one liner.
Like..."yesterday is history, tomorrow's a mystery, just live in the moment. "
Okay, isn't that the aim of all religions.?. It is the buddhist aim, the christian aim as far as I know.
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isn't that the aim of all religions.?.
What, the invention of snappy one-liners?
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I would not say that. The aim of hinduism and of other Indic religions is to induce people to live according to one's 'dharma' (fulfillment of duty and engaging in righteous action). Gods and Goddesses are secondary to that.
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Originally Posted by Goran View Post Osho's words are a "poor man's psychptherapy" and he was heavily connected with the adherents of humanistic psychology, primal "screamers" and so on...

I'm afraid you have no idea about what psychotherapy is
Psychotherapists are, first of all, unless they have a psychiatric background, not allowed to prescribe drugs. As for listening, talking and new perspectives there are too many psychotherapy schools to give a single answer. But in general we coud say there are two approaches. One is based on the behaviorist approach (changing habits and so on, the most popular today is probably CBT - cognitive behavioral therapy ),others are by trying to find the source of the problem, usually in the subconscious and rectifying it there ( psychodynamic psychotherapy for example). Of course it is a bit of oversimplifying all the different schools but non the less...
Giving me details about the different ways of psychotherapies does not change anything to what I've said. Let's call them "mind doctors", they still work on the mind through different techniques like you said or give them drugs...

I dont think Osho never tried to promote the behaviorist approach neither the psychodynamic approach, but he tried to go further by not just treating cases but trying to give his own knowledge about every topic he could to people... If you think he's bellow the level of psychotherapies I think you're wrong:

First his teachings englobe more than psychology subjects and go way beyond that

Then the so-called "New Age" movements who came up from the 60's in California have borrowed things from India and Osho and not the other way

And finally I dont think you can call those Hollywood people poors...
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You look like a dude dude, and I'm not gay. U got any daughter ? cause I'm good looking

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