Looking to Settle Abroad? Rethink!

Ravibagal

Looking To Settle Abroad

I found this interesting entry on the Indiatimes Blogs about Indians wanting to settle abroad. I know this is not travel related but some of you might find it informative. Sysop please delete if you find it inappropriate.

Ravi

agni5454

That is just typical generalization. I dont think that is true. Who ever is writing this is playing the race card to get his point across...very weak way of arguing if you ask me.


Huh? Everyone here are immigrants (in US). Wether it is Irish, African, European, asian, or indian, they are all from different part of the world. Not sure what he is trying to say.

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Nick-H

Thank goodness there are doctors, dentist, etc that do choose to stay in India...

snowcrab

Actually, the doctors and dentists and other professionals of that type have a harder time in this country because getting certification here is a bitch. Some have to take jobs much lower on the social scale, (but possibly higher on the economic scale than in India) while they jump through the hoops and qualify. Then they have to pay their dues by taking a turn working out in the boonies before they can get to work in the cities. All in all, a lot of hassel and a certain amount of humiliation.

Now for the taxi drivers and the truck drivers, it's a really good deal, they do just great, get to drive trucks that haul four times the freight that Indian trucks do, and end up owning them in very short order. It's that Indian enthusiasm, works like a charm because everybody here is in such a rut bitching about how hard their life is.

All in all I think the programmers get the easiest intro, they don't have to do all that recertification stuff and can start in on a higher level than the truckers and taxi drivers.

Sama

after reading that blog -- which is unavailable at this point in time -- all I can say is. . .HUH?

taking jobs away from the natives? Oh, you mean like doctor jobs, physicist jobs (I live down the road from a federal nuclear accelerator laboratory), engineer jobs, and business owners?? I can not speak for the rest of the USA, but in my area, I don't see very many Indians in what could be called "blue collar" jobs. "Indian skilled workers" treated as "immigrants"? -- some of those "immigrants" live in houses much more expensive than mine; I know because I've been inside them!

The line in the blog about hiring help in order to do the "exhausting job" of ironing tells me everything I need to know about the writer.

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GoanCanuck

No, it's not a good deal. There are thousands of taxi drivers/truck drivers from the Indo-Canadian community who chose this profession because they had no choice but to do so because they could not get a job as per their educational qualifications. There are many many taxi drivers(Indo-Canadian) in Vancouver and Toronto who are mechanical engineers, civil engineers, doctors, accountants, lawyers etc. by education. These people are trapped in this line of work. A very sad situation indeed.

snowcrab

That's what I mean, higher educated Indians are subjected to a lot of hassle and downright humiliation, they end up working as janitors and worse because the re-certification process basically amounts to having to do their education all over again.

For the ones who have not made this personal investment in education, Canadian labour rates are pretty good compared to India. In Alberta a swamper starts at $12 per hour, that's, 405 Rs per hour, in the summer 80 weeks are pretty common, thats 32,640 Rs per week minus about 12,000 or so for taxes, still 20,640Rs x4= 82,560 Rs per month. And that's just starting wages. A person who proves themselves reliable can get up to $20 to $22 dollars per hour in a couple of years. Of course taxes take a huge bite at that point. I know about this in Alberta because this is the kind of work my sons do, started right at the bottom, the older one usually make about $90,000 a year, the younger is still down around $60,000.

Whereas a doctor working as a janitor in a hospital, well $850.00 a month min wage may look better than janitors get in India, 28,900 Rs per month but it sure doesn't go very far in Canada, especially if during the day the person is also going to school.

But the immigration services are not that crazy about letting in low status Indians, they do want these highly educated types, and it takes that kind of status in India to generate the cash to buy the ticket to Canada-very contradictory policy. I actually agree with the writer of the blog. It's not all milk and honey.

agni5454

This is how the Indian-success system works in USA. (FIRST vs SECOND generation indians)

Like Snow crab says,
As a result the FIRST generation who arrives off the boat will start up their own businesses like 7-11, Gas station (trust me, the initial investment is huge for gas station), or motel to make a revenue. Almost all of the FIRST generation indians who arrive here make HUGE sacrifices for the 2nd generation, etc. So what happens is, they have these businesses and they use the revenue generated to educate the 2nd generation; these generation will probably end up in high places as doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. So this is their strategy. Very wise stategy if you ask me. but again, this is the same strategy that the first generation jews used back in the 1920s . They did not let their children work but attend their hebrew schools for education(oh yes there was child labor in America too...the most common victims were the children of the first generation irish). Today, these children grew up to be great business men, big bankers, etc. Now they are an envy to everyone else in their present community.


we are afterall talking about the first generation ones. They usually are the ones that work hard. The ones who arrive here mostly have jobs (H1-B) visas. Basically, its a dog-eat-dog world and the competition is intense.

The latest stats show that the enthusiasm has some what decreased to come here as jobs are going overboard.


So in the conclusion, the FIRST generation (wether Indian, Irish, German, Italian, African, or Chinese) will always be/have greeted rudely and humiliated. But once the ball gets turning, those who manage their resources wisely will usually get a head. THIS is where the indians (first generation) are excelling; their priority of educating their kids is paying off in the present world.


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i am also told that most indians arriving here from india as doctors DO undergo recertifications. there are exceptions to but those docs who come here DO know the sacrifices involved and are ready to make them. They are not coming here blindly.

snowcrab

And our country is benefiting tremendously from this immigration. I live in a part of town where many ethnic Chinese Vietnamese immigrated twenty years ago, many fleeing a situation that had them showing up in this country with literally nothing but the clothes on their back. The whole main drag is full of doctors, dentists, restaurants, legal services, beauty services, travel services, any kind of business you can think of, with Vietnamese names over the door. Just got two root canals done by one of the dentists, excellent work, after I walked out on a longer arrived Italian-Canadian dentist who gave me attitude.

Of course there is a lot of predudice amoung people who's parents and grandparents immigrated earlier, (we are all immegrants over here, except the First Nations people, who are treated worst of all.) It just seems to be hard to get past that illusion of entitlement, but as you say Agni, we all come from groups who have been through that mill.