Indian Omens

johnyoga2 · Aug 22nd, 2008, 23:58

Something completely different....
All summer long I have been picking Tomatoes off my vines and opening them to see sprouted seeds inside. These are fresh Tomatoes, just picked. I know this does happen sometimes so I'm not thinking too much about it.
Today, at lunch, I opened a grapefruit. I have the sprouted seed on my desk. Its' root is about 3/4 inch long.
I couldn't help but think that somewhere there must be something in floklore about opening fruit and fining sprouted seeds inside. I couldn't find anything on Google so I thought I'd try India Mike!
Would finding sprouted seeds inside freshly opened fruit be a good sign or a bad one?

PeakXV · Aug 23rd, 2008, 00:06

They're way past their expiry date .... take them back for a refund before they set roots in your kitchen.

johnyoga2 · Aug 23rd, 2008, 01:13

Well the grapefruit was perfectly edible and , as I said, the tomatoes were picked fresh off the vine...
Would the old women of the village stone me out or feed me...

Wanderer22 · Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:12

Nope! Not an omen of the end of all things....

Late season ripening is the problem. The chemical that inhibits premature sprouting breaks down under cool, low light conditions.

How has the weather been in your area lately?

W22

johnyoga2 · Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:17

85-90 degrees F. high humidity.

PeakXV · Aug 23rd, 2008, 04:54

A bee often flies out of the Indian Neelam Mango. No one knows for sure how it gets inside as it is undamaged from the outside - but the sweeter the mango the more certain is that one will emerge when you cut/bite into it ..... quirk of nature I guess!?

Nick-H · Aug 23rd, 2008, 05:09

You'd need one of those calendars that tells you, for each hour of the day, which are auspicious for the finding of sprouts in fruit and which are not.

freenote · Aug 23rd, 2008, 05:11

It's gotta be good ..Viberant growth in any system has to be the way to go

cancer ...oh no

machadinha · Aug 23rd, 2008, 06:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeakXV

A bee often flies out of the Indian Neelam Mango. No one knows for sure how it gets inside as it is undamaged from the outside - but the sweeter the mango the more certain is that one will emerge when you cut/bite into it ..... quirk of nature I guess!?

Hmm... we have tiny apple-like things here (not eaten, as far as I know) that will often host a wasp or similar larva/young 'un. Same thing I reckon. Found them fascinating as a kid of course. I suppose mum may inject her eggs into there, some species do so with paralyzed insects, which then get eaten from the inside out by the adorable newborn. The marvels of nature, indeed! I observed a wasp in our garden the other day burying its prey, presumably precisely to this effect.

(Which reminds me, there's this other clever larva that gets born inside a host, a ladybird I think, then cleverly severs its brain and possibly leg nerves. I forget the details, but the gist of it is the animal again gets eaten alive, yet is fully controlled by the parasite.

Er, the auspiciousness of it all I can't tell you about

Must be some way to go.)

federica · Aug 23rd, 2008, 21:17

Maybe we can create something auspicious out of that? I mean, a sprout is a sign for new life, so it should be something auspicious!

Anyone who finds sprouted seeds inside will have a great year ahead!

machadinha · Aug 24th, 2008, 03:05

Come to think of it, my paprikas regularly feature baby paprikas in them. I consider that auspicious, as it gives me more paprika

PeakXV · Aug 24th, 2008, 03:11

Often you will see the pregnant boteh or paisley as motif on fabrics & textiles. Nobody to this day is sure of the origins of that floral icon but a pregnant one is considered to be very auspicious so I'm told.

machadinha · Aug 24th, 2008, 03:12

What's a pregnant paisley? As in flowering?

(edit) Hmm, interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisley_(design). That link malfunctions, but search W'pedia for boteh to get there.

Nick-H · Aug 24th, 2008, 03:13

de-flowered, more like!

I thought the paisley pattern was the shape of mango? Or something to do with peacock tails? I'm just confused now...

PeakXV · Aug 24th, 2008, 03:21

It's a boteh within boteh or paisley within paisley thought to have possibly originated within the Kashmir shawl industry. It's described in the following article and although the shot is not great - you can make out one on the pictured ladies shirt.

http://www.rugreview.com/boteh.htm

Aug 22nd, 2008, 23:58	#1
johnyoga2 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 62	Indian Omens Something completely different.... All summer long I have been picking Tomatoes off my vines and opening them to see sprouted seeds inside. These are fresh Tomatoes, just picked. I know this does happen sometimes so I'm not thinking too much about it. Today, at lunch, I opened a grapefruit. I have the sprouted seed on my desk. Its' root is about 3/4 inch long. I couldn't help but think that somewhere there must be something in floklore about opening fruit and fining sprouted seeds inside. I couldn't find anything on Google so I thought I'd try India Mike! Would finding sprouted seeds inside freshly opened fruit be a good sign or a bad one?

Aug 23rd, 2008, 00:06	#2
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,390	They're way past their expiry date .... take them back for a refund before they set roots in your kitchen. __________________ We shall not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started ...and know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot Don't go to India ~ Pre-trip Warnings & Misconceptions?

Aug 23rd, 2008, 05:09	#7
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,763	You'd need one of those calendars that tells you, for each hour of the day, which are auspicious for the finding of sprouts in fruit and which are not. __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

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freenote senior member refused Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: cornwall UK Posts: 1,554	It's gotta be good ..Viberant growth in any system has to be the way to go cancer ...oh no __________________ eyes ,eyes that have seen all , come back to the white chrysanthemum (Basho)

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Aug 23rd, 2008, 01:13	#3
johnyoga2 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 62	Well the grapefruit was perfectly edible and , as I said, the tomatoes were picked fresh off the vine... Would the old women of the village stone me out or feed me...

Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:12	#4
Wanderer22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 463	Nope! Not an omen of the end of all things.... Late season ripening is the problem. The chemical that inhibits premature sprouting breaks down under cool, low light conditions. How has the weather been in your area lately? W22

Aug 23rd, 2008, 02:17	#5
johnyoga2 Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 62	85-90 degrees F. high humidity.

Aug 23rd, 2008, 04:54	#6
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,390	A bee often flies out of the Indian Neelam Mango. No one knows for sure how it gets inside as it is undamaged from the outside - but the sweeter the mango the more certain is that one will emerge when you cut/bite into it ..... quirk of nature I guess!?

Aug 23rd, 2008, 21:17	#10
federica Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bavaria Posts: 1,093	Maybe we can create something auspicious out of that? I mean, a sprout is a sign for new life, so it should be something auspicious! Anyone who finds sprouted seeds inside will have a great year ahead!

Aug 24th, 2008, 03:05	#11
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,127	Come to think of it, my paprikas regularly feature baby paprikas in them. I consider that auspicious, as it gives me more paprika

Aug 24th, 2008, 03:11	#12
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,390	Often you will see the pregnant boteh or paisley as motif on fabrics & textiles. Nobody to this day is sure of the origins of that floral icon but a pregnant one is considered to be very auspicious so I'm told.

Aug 24th, 2008, 03:12	#13
machadinha Not Your Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 11,127	What's a pregnant paisley? As in flowering? (edit) Hmm, interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisley_(design). That link malfunctions, but search W'pedia for boteh to get there.

Aug 24th, 2008, 03:13	#14
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 27,763	de-flowered, more like! I thought the paisley pattern was the shape of mango? Or something to do with peacock tails? I'm just confused now...

Aug 24th, 2008, 03:21	#15
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 4,390	It's a boteh within boteh or paisley within paisley thought to have possibly originated within the Kashmir shawl industry. It's described in the following article and although the shot is not great - you can make out one on the pictured ladies shirt. http://www.rugreview.com/boteh.htm

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