How do you explain "Jhootha" to a non indian

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During my Himachal tour last week I was bowled by a query from a hotel owner at Rampur who had a large number of non indians stopping over for lunch or dinner. A few Israelis were also having lunch there.

The owner got into a conversation and asked me:
How do I explain the word "Jhootha" as in jhootha haath or glass or bartan to people who do not understand it?

Really I had no answers and so would like fellow Indiamikers to respond. As per the hotel owner he and others like him could save a lot of water and cleaning if the concept of Jhootha could be explained.
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jhootha is shoes/slippers.. what's so difficult? Or, may be I have misunderstood your question?
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"Jhootha" in this case would mean "soiled" or "unclean".
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Yes, in this case "Jhoota" means soiled or unclean. Indians eat with their hands, many a time without the aid of fork/spoon/knife, etc. In that case once they feed themselves, their hand becomes "jhoota" and then one is not supposed to touch another's vessel/plate/cutlery with this hand, until its washed clean.

With fork/spoon too, once you use it for yourself - ie. once you touch it to your mouth, the same fork/spoon should be confined to your dish and not be put in another dish, as the former has become "jhoota".

Another meaning of jhootha - very common - is "liar".

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"Joota" is a shoe.
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writing hindi in english has always amused me since english is not phonetic..for example it would be impossible to spell the hindi "Yes" in english.. Ha? Han? Hawn?
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isn't "Joop" lie in hindi?
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Originally Posted by crvlvr jhootha is shoes/slippers.. what's so difficult? Or, may be I have misunderstood your question?

It is pronounced as Jootaa...no stress on any syllable.

Jootaa is footwear
Jhoota IS LIAR
Jhootha is soiled or 'tasted'
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Originally Posted by crvlvr writing hindi in english has always amused me since english is not phonetic..for example it would be impossible to spell the hindi "Yes" in english.. Ha? Han? Hawn?
Usually rendered as "hahn" I believe. You'd expect some system of transliteration to have been devised.

nb If joota and jhootha are somehow related this would seem to make sense as the feet are considered unclean. For the same reason you are not supposed to point at things (in the market for instance) with your feet, and in Buddhism at least you are supposed to keep your feet pointed away from any Buddha images or monks when sitting down.
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argh, I hate transliteration! Please, guys and gals, learn Devanagari (oops sorry, I mean't देवनागरी )
It's relatively easy and you'll avoid these misunderstandings.

just a humble request of mine...
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"As per the hotel owner he and others like him could save a lot of water and cleaning if the concept of Jhootha could be explained."

How so??
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Because you need water to clean anything that becomes "jhootha". People who may not understand the concept of "jhootha" may touch something with their "jhootha" hand - thereby making it "unclean" - which needs to be washed.

At times - specially in rural areas or orthodox families - this can result in lot of washing throughout the day.......
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Originally Posted by rangss It is pronounced as Jootaa...no stress on any syllable.

Jootaa is footwear
Jhoota IS LIAR
Jhootha is soiled or 'tasted'
The Second one is "Jhootha" not "Jhoota" which means LIAR
The last one is "Jootha" and not "Jhootha" which means somebody has already tasted it or eaten from it.
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Writing Hindi in English

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Originally Posted by crvlvr writing hindi in english has always amused me since english is not phonetic..for example it would be impossible to spell the hindi "Yes" in english.. Ha? Han? Hawn?
There is freeware software program called Itranslator 99/Itranslator 2003 from omkarananda-ashram.org which can be used to generate the hindi characters that dani has generated. I have used the same system to write samskrit words only in the roman script...[becuz you have to keep sending the sanskrit font every time.]

This is my adaptation from the Itranslator 99 software: (its nearly the same as the input reqd for the Itrans software)

KEY to writing samskRit words in roman script


Vowels:

a aa, i ii, u uu, Ri RRi, LRi LRRi, e ai, o au, aM aH


Consonants:

ka kha ga gha ~Na

cha Cha ja jha ~na

Ta Tha Da Dha Na

ta tha da dha na

pa pha ba bha ma

ya ra la va

sha Sha sa ha

[sha for shiva; Sha for ShaNmukha; sa for "so-so"]

La xa GYa

[La occurs in maraaThi; xa for l a x m ii; GYa for viGYaana]

Following this schema:

juutaa is shoe;

jhuuThaa is "unclean"

jhuuThaa again is the liar [the same pronunciation but sentence gives away the meaning]

Then again people in South India speak Hindi a little differently. I have given the Delhi/Rajasthan pronunciations.
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Originally Posted by AvidTrekker jhuuThaa is "unclean"
Then again people in South India speak Hindi a little differently. I have given the Delhi/Rajasthan pronunciations.
Wrong again
its "juuthaa" not "jhuuthaa" and thats what is spoken in Delhi
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Bambayyaa Hindi

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Originally Posted by phantom its "juuthaa" not "jhuuthaa" and thats what is spoken in Delhi
Yes. My mistake.

My Hindi is influenced by the rotten Bambayya tongue of movies like Satya etc. Even though I try to remain above its influence, this bambayya creeps up on you nevertheless

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