A British Soldier's Photographs from 1943/44

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Some years ago a member of the flickr website, Louise Morgan, posted a photo collection that she had bought from a street stall in England. The photos had been taken by a British army officer stationed in Meerut during WW2. Many photos are of military life and leisure in Meerut but others have been taken during leave absences elsewhere in India.

I found the images fascinating not least because a military ancestor had spent time in Meerut over a century earlier.

https://flickr.com/photos/37512286@N...57625123489075
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I found the images fascinating not least because a military ancestor had spent time in Meerut over a century earlier.
1857 and all that?

The pictures are fascinating though some seem to have been mislabelled.
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Trying to figure out why Louise Morgan put her name to the photos and not Major E Brookman who did take them
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dcamrass1, the answer is in Louise Morgan's introduction and comments to the photos. The photograph collection was a "found" item without provenance. Most likely it came from the effects of a deceased person, probably the photographer.
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My ancestor served in a British infantry regiment stationed in India from the late 1820s until 1840 when it joined the punitive expedition to China i.e. The First Opium War. The regiment spent about five years in Meerut, from 1831.

In the 1840s, my ancestor, having survived China and returned to Britain, removed to another British foot regiment stationed in Bombay. By 1850 this chap had left the army and settled in Australia.

The British regiments in India were expected to bolster the East India Company's own forces. British activities were copiously reported in newspapers and journals of the day, many now being available via the internet. As the HEIC was an occupying force, it is unsurprising that the events of 1857 took place.
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Originally Posted by unclelach View Post the answer is in Louise Morgan's introduction and comments to the photos. The photograph collection was a "found" item without provenance. Most likely it came from the effects of a deceased person, probably the photographer.
Legally you are right but morally? as she added her name to every photo. She does mention the the name of who the album belong to and more than likely he was the the photographer.Now it is so easy to add then who thought about it.
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Legally you are right but morally?
She's the publisher, right? I don't know how this translates into the internet age*, but if she made a book of them, the book and the physical pictures in it would be her copyright. She could take action against anyone reproducing the pictures from her book. And I am sure about this: it used to be part of my work.

In practical terms: if one posts on flikr, I guess it has to be under a name.



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Originally Posted by dcamrass1 View Post Legally you are right but morally? as she added her name to every photo. She does mention the the name of who the album belong to and more than likely he was the the photographer.Now it is so easy to add then who thought about it.
Further to this, flickr works such that the name or pseudonym adopted by an account holder is invariably shown on every image displayed. It would have been possible to have the original photographer's name overprinted or watermarked on each image before they were placed on flickr. Not necessary in my opinion.
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https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/5wt...7a5824ecfb.jpg

See reference to E E F Brookman in right page of item linked. From the Spring 1946 number of The Royal Army Pay Corps Journal.
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Copyrights and patents should have a term limit - Alex Tabarrak (not an exact quote)..
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A British Soldier's Photographs from 1943/44

No "should have," Copyrights do.

When I last looked, it was so many years after the death of the artist/author.

These pics were taken by someone of approximately my father's generation. The copyright might still exist.

So... If one wanted to go by the book, this is what you do. You have to find the will of the artist. If copyright was not specifically bequeathed (only a pro would probably have thought of it) then it is part of the residuary estate. Find out who inherited that, gave them, give them a call.

Been there, done that. And all to pay them a hundred quid for permission to use as a birthday card!

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