Export motorbikes

dlesli · Mar 28th, 2008, 03:45

I'm desperate to get one of those little Hero Honda motorbikes home to the U.S. We simply don't have 100cc street bikes that size here. Has anyone tried this? Can anyone approximate the cost to buy for export and get it back? Searched the site and didn't see too much on the topic. Many thanks.

Brisso · Mar 28th, 2008, 04:16

Apart from import costs and possible customs duties, there is the consideration of whether the bike meets US technical standards. Being Japanese design I suspect it should, unlike the 6 volt and some other Enfields. If not, you may find trouble gettign it registered.

dlesli · Mar 28th, 2008, 04:29

yes, yes, laws laws and more laws! i was pondering flying under the radar on registration - but good idea to check now.

agree import fees may make cost prohibitive but am dying for one!

Yogesh Sarkar · Mar 28th, 2008, 04:36

I think a few countries also have regulation regarding the material used to construct various motorcycle components; you might want to check that out. You might want to get in touch with a few bike exporters who might have experience regarding this matter.

crvlvr · Mar 28th, 2008, 05:24

1. Getting the clearance to register the bike in the US will be next to imossible. Even if it does meet safety standards, it may not certified for highway use due to its low top speed.

2. You can import it and say you want it to use it for "recreation" purposes. You will be able to bring it in, but won;t be given plates so that you can ride it on public roads.

dlesli · Mar 28th, 2008, 09:07

okay okay - you guys know much more than I - that's why I'm here asking. . .

but all I want it for is to cruise around the city streets - no highways. looks like it tops out at 50 mph, which is fine - most i would need is 40 mph.

u.s. bikes are either dirt bikes at 100ccs or 250ccs or more, with heavy weight. this is in-between a vespa and our lowest street bike.

if i can buy it for 1000 u.s. and get it here for 1500 u.s., i save 1000 u.s. over our smallest street bike and have the cutest little bike moving around town.

impossible to get get clearance to register - i don't understand - if it meets state requirements - is there more?

am i still crazy?! i'm sure I am - come on - convince me!

yogesh - yes! thanks i will just talk to them directly - thanks!

Ignite · Mar 28th, 2008, 11:01

O man 100cc motorbike on the streets of texas. I don't think your going to have a lot of friends on the roads

crvlvr · Mar 28th, 2008, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlesli

impossible to get get clearance to register - i don't understand - if it meets state requirements - is there more?

You should start with reading this link

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/...ges/page3.html

This is just one of the many regulations:

Quote:

If a motorcycle or motor driven cycle is capable of a top speed above 20 miles per hour and is equipped with components (such as lights, mirrors, and turn signals) that are needed for on-road use, NHTSA will regard it as having been primarily manufactured for such purposes. Motorcycles and motor-driven cycles with these capabilities and equipment cannot be lawfully imported into the U.S. unless they were originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS and bear a label certifying such compliance that is permanently affixed by the original manufacturer. The label must be affixed to a permanent member of the vehicle, as close as is practicable to the intersection of the steering post and the handle bars, so that its contents can be easily read without moving any part of the vehicle except for the steering mechanism. In addition, the vehicle’s manufacturer is required to submit to NHTSA identifying information on itself and the products it manufactures to the FMVSS (as required by 49 CFR Part 566), provide NHTSA with information the agency would need to decipher the VIN the manufacturer is required (under 49 CFR Part 565) to assign to each motor vehicle manufactured for sale in the U.S., and designate a U.S. resident as its agent for service of process (as required under 49 CFR 551.45)

. Good Luck...

dlesli · Mar 28th, 2008, 19:31

thank you. now i see you mean the feds, not just the Texas good ol' boys. many thanks. am greatly disheartened. but appreciate very much everyone's thoughts!

oliveblose · May 13th, 2008, 05:49

Hi , I am a big fan of Royal Enfield . I would love to import one from indian to New Zealand but i have no idea about the taxes and costum duties . Which is the cheapest way to import Royal enfield from India to New Zealand.

brownboy66 · May 13th, 2008, 09:53

the problem isn't so much the cost of importing as compliance with emission laws. As it stands at present - you either have to find a pre 1973 (I think that's the right year) enfield which would classify it as "classic" and is therefore allowed on the roads - or wait until later this year when a new emissions compliant enfield comes out.

don't worry - there's are few of us in the same boat.....so to speak.

traveller.1 · May 13th, 2008, 10:28

Ok fellows this is an opinion of aa knowledgeble person. For the USA there are 4 agencies involved:
1. NHTSA
2. EPA
3. US Customs
4. Your Local Dept of motor vehicles

NHTSA requires that all vehicles comply with US laws for road safety. A Vehicle complies not when it meets standards but when it demonstrate that it meets standards and is certified as such. Without quoting the federa register, in laymans term only a manufacturer may import vehicles into USA, after getting certificates of approval. These certificates are given after the vehicle is tested for compliance in hundreds of categories such as actual rash tests, light intensity, mirrors, and so on. For an individual it is very very expensive to crash a couple of bikes in a test scenario. SOme vehicles have gone through these tests and already are known to comply or need minor modification. These are imported by a Registered Importer licensed by the Federal government, and technically he becomes the manufacturer for that vehicle. It is brought in and he inspects it, and places a manufacturter's sticker on it and certifies its compliance. The vehicle can not leave his storage till it is certified and approval recieved from NHTSA. You are looking at freight from India to the USA. In USA from the port to the importer's location, storage costs and then shipping it to you . There are not very many registered importers. So prices are high.

EPA: because of pollution, EPA is another player and the vehiclle must comply wirth Emissions laws. The engine must be removed and tested. This is not the same as a emission test that you get for vehicle registration. This is a laboratory test. Expensive and conducted in a licensed facility under specific conditions for of course a great cost in transportation, and testing in terms of time and money. WIthout this unless the vehicle is pre-approved one can not get the vehicle on the road.

US Customs: Unless the vehicle that comes into USA is going in the care of a Registered Importer, who will put up a bond for the vhicle, and who will import it in accordnce with the laws of the land, the vehicle will not be released from customs.

Motor Vehicle Dept: Unless the vehicle has been certified by the Registered Importer, has a customs release and cleared by EPA it may not be reistered for use. The vehicle must be reexporte out of the country.

Besides these there are also minor issues such as VIN (Vehicle identification numbers that many countries do not use but are required by US law, inspection of the vehicle by law enforcement such as the local sherrif.

In other words forget it.

edwardseco · May 13th, 2008, 12:29

A friend imported a Mercedes to save money. California emmissions doubled the cost to more than the dealer's tag..

Ignite · May 13th, 2008, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by edwardseco

A friend imported a Mercedes to save money. California emmissions doubled the cost to more than the dealer's tag..

dlesli · May 27th, 2008, 06:29

Bad news, but extremely helpful traveller1. thanks much!

Mar 28th, 2008, 03:45	#1
dlesli Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 18	Export motorbikes I'm desperate to get one of those little Hero Honda motorbikes home to the U.S. We simply don't have 100cc street bikes that size here. Has anyone tried this? Can anyone approximate the cost to buy for export and get it back? Searched the site and didn't see too much on the topic. Many thanks.

Mar 28th, 2008, 04:29	#3
dlesli Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 18	export motorbike - hero honda yes, yes, laws laws and more laws! i was pondering flying under the radar on registration - but good idea to check now. agree import fees may make cost prohibitive but am dying for one!

Mar 28th, 2008, 04:36	#4
Yogesh Sarkar Maha Guru Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New Delhi (India) Posts: 993	I think a few countries also have regulation regarding the material used to construct various motorcycle components; you might want to check that out. You might want to get in touch with a few bike exporters who might have experience regarding this matter. __________________ My Travelogues \| My Blog \| Ladakh Travel Guide

Mar 28th, 2008, 11:01	#7
Ignite American Desi Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The City of Angels, California Posts: 424	O man 100cc motorbike on the streets of texas. I don't think your going to have a lot of friends on the roads __________________ I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse.

Mar 28th, 2008, 19:31	#9
dlesli Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 18	export motorbike - hero honda thank you. now i see you mean the feds, not just the Texas good ol' boys. many thanks. am greatly disheartened. but appreciate very much everyone's thoughts!

Mar 28th, 2008, 04:16	#2
Brisso Specialist muddler Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 362	Apart from import costs and possible customs duties, there is the consideration of whether the bike meets US technical standards. Being Japanese design I suspect it should, unlike the 6 volt and some other Enfields. If not, you may find trouble gettign it registered.

Mar 28th, 2008, 05:24	#5
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,303	1. Getting the clearance to register the bike in the US will be next to imossible. Even if it does meet safety standards, it may not certified for highway use due to its low top speed. 2. You can import it and say you want it to use it for "recreation" purposes. You will be able to bring it in, but won;t be given plates so that you can ride it on public roads.

Mar 28th, 2008, 09:07	#6
dlesli Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 18	okay okay - you guys know much more than I - that's why I'm here asking. . . but all I want it for is to cruise around the city streets - no highways. looks like it tops out at 50 mph, which is fine - most i would need is 40 mph. u.s. bikes are either dirt bikes at 100ccs or 250ccs or more, with heavy weight. this is in-between a vespa and our lowest street bike. if i can buy it for 1000 u.s. and get it here for 1500 u.s., i save 1000 u.s. over our smallest street bike and have the cutest little bike moving around town. impossible to get get clearance to register - i don't understand - if it meets state requirements - is there more? am i still crazy?! i'm sure I am - come on - convince me! yogesh - yes! thanks i will just talk to them directly - thanks!

May 13th, 2008, 05:49	#10
oliveblose Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: NewZealand Posts: 1	Hi Hi , I am a big fan of Royal Enfield . I would love to import one from indian to New Zealand but i have no idea about the taxes and costum duties . Which is the cheapest way to import Royal enfield from India to New Zealand.

May 13th, 2008, 09:53	#11
brownboy66 the riff raff.... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,867	the problem isn't so much the cost of importing as compliance with emission laws. As it stands at present - you either have to find a pre 1973 (I think that's the right year) enfield which would classify it as "classic" and is therefore allowed on the roads - or wait until later this year when a new emissions compliant enfield comes out. don't worry - there's are few of us in the same boat.....so to speak. __________________ "the last meal is history - its the next one that's important" - Garfield (the cat) IndiaMike Mod Team.... just some plonker with access to the mod tools

May 13th, 2008, 10:28	#12
traveller.1 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 49	Ok fellows this is an opinion of aa knowledgeble person. For the USA there are 4 agencies involved: 1. NHTSA 2. EPA 3. US Customs 4. Your Local Dept of motor vehicles NHTSA requires that all vehicles comply with US laws for road safety. A Vehicle complies not when it meets standards but when it demonstrate that it meets standards and is certified as such. Without quoting the federa register, in laymans term only a manufacturer may import vehicles into USA, after getting certificates of approval. These certificates are given after the vehicle is tested for compliance in hundreds of categories such as actual rash tests, light intensity, mirrors, and so on. For an individual it is very very expensive to crash a couple of bikes in a test scenario. SOme vehicles have gone through these tests and already are known to comply or need minor modification. These are imported by a Registered Importer licensed by the Federal government, and technically he becomes the manufacturer for that vehicle. It is brought in and he inspects it, and places a manufacturter's sticker on it and certifies its compliance. The vehicle can not leave his storage till it is certified and approval recieved from NHTSA. You are looking at freight from India to the USA. In USA from the port to the importer's location, storage costs and then shipping it to you . There are not very many registered importers. So prices are high. EPA: because of pollution, EPA is another player and the vehiclle must comply wirth Emissions laws. The engine must be removed and tested. This is not the same as a emission test that you get for vehicle registration. This is a laboratory test. Expensive and conducted in a licensed facility under specific conditions for of course a great cost in transportation, and testing in terms of time and money. WIthout this unless the vehicle is pre-approved one can not get the vehicle on the road. US Customs: Unless the vehicle that comes into USA is going in the care of a Registered Importer, who will put up a bond for the vhicle, and who will import it in accordnce with the laws of the land, the vehicle will not be released from customs. Motor Vehicle Dept: Unless the vehicle has been certified by the Registered Importer, has a customs release and cleared by EPA it may not be reistered for use. The vehicle must be reexporte out of the country. Besides these there are also minor issues such as VIN (Vehicle identification numbers that many countries do not use but are required by US law, inspection of the vehicle by law enforcement such as the local sherrif. In other words forget it.

May 13th, 2008, 12:29	#13
edwardseco Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Land that shakes and bakes. Posts: 3,411	A friend imported a Mercedes to save money. California emmissions doubled the cost to more than the dealer's tag..

May 27th, 2008, 06:29	#15
dlesli Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 18	Bad news, but extremely helpful traveller1. thanks much!

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