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#76 Oct 14th, 2008, 14:06
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This programme was so wrong.
It was not just the commentary on Hinduism but the scenery and backwardness of Indian culture being mocked throughout the programme.

Monkeys in India aren’t killed because they are related to a god named Hanuman. So they just get other monkeys to drive them out into another locality and when they have had enough they drive them back to another locality. And this goes on all year. This is the level of wisdom of the Indian Government. Indian Government are dumb (which probably was the only truth spoken).

A man hangs from another mans penis because this was an order from his Guru!

Naked holymen smoking weed and dancing naked and Paul loved it.

A man blows into Pauls ear and he become his disciple!

Quote:- “Shivratri is a celebration of Orgasm.”

Hindus pray to a ‘cock of Lord Shiva and vagina of Parvati.’

The woman Ruchira said she will take Paul to a temple where he will see Shivas Penis inside the Vagina of Parvati. Paul was really excited to visit the temple and we could hear it in his voice as he entered the temple. However he was disappointed when he only saw a shilvling and commented it reminded him of a pudding.
This is the brainwashing idiot who accompanied Paul on his tour of India.
Is she a Hindu? Does anyone know and does she even know anything about Hinduism?

A rat temple was dedicated because some Goddess turned her best devotees to Rats! Wow some Goddess!

And no doubt countless other backwardness will be shown over the next few weeks.

This programme was nothing short of mocking Indians by a comedian who enjoyed doing it!


India is a culture that’s not comprehensible to western mindset and they have not attempted to address these cultural issues.

And proving what with this show?
Oh Yes, they proved that India is backwards and dumb and stupid and thick and unintelligent and illiterate and living in the stone ages.

This was irresponsible editing.

If it was necessary that they broadcast this programme then the title of the series should reflect it.

I can’t believe some Indians even enjoyed the show. There was nothing respectable or to enjoy in the prog.
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Oh Yes, they proved that India is backwards and dumb and stupid and thick and unintelligent and illiterate and living in the stone ages.
Stupid and unintelligent? I did not get that sense at all, it showed what a varied and endlessly fascinating place India can be.

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This programme was nothing short of mocking Indians by a comedian who enjoyed doing it!
Actually, in most articles he started from the position of "This is really bizarre" and moved towards an understanding - he didn't mock at all the people who were pretending to fly, which would have been very easy to do.

Similar programmes have been made about the UK where they show blokes putting ferrets down their trousers, lawnmower racing, and attractions such as the national telephone box collection. I am perfectly happy for that loony side of my country to be shown, there are many programmes featuring the London Eye, the Tower of London and "Shakespeare's Stratford upon Avon" and I think there's a place for Paul Merton's type of programme too.
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Spot on Haylo - another example would be Louis Theroux's great series on America, where he deliberately seeks out the weirdest or most extreme aspects of American culture. They're well worth a show, and fascinating - I don't know why some people have a problem with these aspects of India being shown.
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Hi DesiUK - welcome to Indiamike! and the endless debate therein.

I'm surprised you say "India is a culture ..." - a single, unitary, uniform culture? Even my own brief visit taught me India was anything but that.

Actually, what you say reminds me of when I took a Hindu friend to visit St Paul's Cathedral in London, while a communion service was taking place, and I explained to her that yes, the priest was saying "this is the body of Christ, take, eat ...". Bizarre and incomprehensible to an outsider, an act of reverence to Christians.

I felt Paul Merton understood this distinction very well. What was mocking about it?

Why do you talk about proving that India is backwards etc etc ...??? In the same week, on another channel, you could have watched a programme in a series on the history of mathematics, demonstrating the huge contribution of Indian mathematicians to the world's current understanding of mathematics, for example. Or there was the series a few months back on the British youngsters who went to work in the clothes industry in India to learn where their fashion items came from. Or the series on the "Bombay Railway". Or or or ... many other examples among what seems to me to be a growing number of interesting, informed, exploring, inquiring, honest, respectful programmes on India and things Indian from a UK perspective.

The "UK perspective" includes the view of many many who have personal links with India, of all sorts. Perhaps we are so used to ripping the cr*p out of ourselves (there's "Mock the Week", for example, not to mention "Have I got News for You"), that when we turn our eyes on others, it can be experienced as disrespectful. Thirty - twenty? ten? years ago, that would in many cases have been true, and given the colonialist, imperialist history, I can understand that it might even be expected by some. But I really think it's not the case with this programme.

DesiUK - what would you show about India, if you had the chance to make your own tv programme?
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Originally Posted by Haylo View Post Stupid and unintelligent? I did not get that sense at all, it showed what a varied and endlessly fascinating place India can be.

Actually, in most articles he started from the position of "This is really bizarre" and moved towards an understanding - he didn't mock at all the people who were pretending to fly, which would have been very easy to do.

Similar programmes have been made about the UK where they show blokes putting ferrets down their trousers, lawnmower racing, and attractions such as the national telephone box collection. I am perfectly happy for that loony side of my country to be shown, there are many programmes featuring the London Eye, the Tower of London and "Shakespeare's Stratford upon Avon" and I think there's a place for Paul Merton's type of programme too.
I liked how he accepted the way that 'Bubbles' gave thanks to his god for giving him the strength to do what he did. I did not find him mocking anything. He seemed to come to 'get' the Gurus. The monkey thing really does happen so what was wrong with showing that? It is all fact, nothing was made up, maybe a bit more explaining could be done ...ie why they venerated rats?
He showed a side I found refreshing in a comedian who can be very cutting about many things.
It takes many types to make up a world and to see both sides of them is good, we can all learn from his attitude I think and not pidgeon hole cultures. India is a multi-level culture from one exteme to the other ...just like ours!
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If the situation was reversed and an Indian film company took an Indian comedian out to Britain to make entertaining TV ..... what do you think the result would be?

Does anyone expect it would be a balanced and inteligent exploration of modern British culture?

Or would you expect something else?

Something like we can see with Paul Merton ?

Why are people so surprised?
Its just a disposable tv programme!
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That would be a hilarious sideshow that I would not miss .... and, actually, they're presently a couple of Indo-Canadian 'funny guys' that could really do a thorough, bangup comedic exploitation on that topic.
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Goodness Gracious Me would be a starting point.
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That show is hilarious, for all that it parodies the very worst of British culture.

"He’s very nice and pasty. You know what they say about white men, don’t you?"
"What have you got that is not totally tasteless"
"Just give me the BLANDEST thing on the menu"

India is a great country, I'm happy to see that so many Indians on here have the confidence to deal with this sort of coverage.
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All of you missed my point. I also said
If it was necessary that they broadcast this programme then the title of the series should reflect it.

I have been watching a good many progs on India and most of them reflected the series well, showing both the good and the bad in a TASTEFUL AND NON OFFENSIVE WAY.

They certainly didn’t have some backward Indian showing them their culture; and the title reflected what was to come.

Everything shown on Paul Merton in India was total mockery. Yes add a comedian and all is forgiven and hide the obvious. If you didn’t find it mocking then that is your level of taste and not mine.

I cant remember the original titles to some of these but they have all showed both sides of India
--Rhodes did a prog on cooking
--Indian school –BBC3
--Kumbh Mela—C4
--Learning to drive in India –hilarious and true
--Indian clothes factory—BBC1 very recently good and bad addressed.
--Laxmi A girl with four arms—how the operation was done. Very good both where the very ancient met the very modern
--A boy whose father made him run in marathons
--A girl with four legs recently again Very good both where the very ancient met the very modern
--Sanjeev Bhaskar discovers his roots and India. Even he managed decent episodes.
----Meer Sayal and her roots
---Michael Palins excellent shows.
---Progs on Railway life balanced prog,
----Bombay life –balanced ,
-----Silicon Valley well put together
---Bollywood related progs. Always popular and mostly very good.
And many many many more which have been of good to reasonable taste.

I cant remember any uproar about any of them

oh except this one
--Around the world in 80 treasures or something—this was a very disappointing production as the only treasure they found in India was sex sex and more sex.
Obviously India is good for nothing else.


NOW here we have a programme on India which is badly edited and put together and to me is a mockery of events of a culture that cant be understood by western minds and that is nothing short of having a ‘jolly good laugh’.

There are ways to say and show things.


In UK we get good progs and titles that reflect whats coming
Coastline of UK
Booze Britain
British Best Dish
Britains Toughest criminals
Nature Britain
Etc which shows various sides of British cultures
And so forth

If instead someone did a prog on UK and commented that “we are now visiting a Church. The worshipers are first made drunk by the wine giving ceremony, then taken to some confessing booth where they have an orgy of rape, dastardly deeds and child molesting”
This description as you can clearly see is absurd and wrong.
We read about these sort of things every now and then in the media. Priest taking advantage of boys etc but that does not reflect the true value of the church or the priesthood and it certainly is not true culture of Britain.
Do you really serve wine in a Church?!
Yes but not how it was portrayed above.


India has strange rituals and ways if doing things but not how they were portrayed by Paul.

There are ways to say and show good and bad things.
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“what would you show about India, if you had the chance to make your own tv programme?”

Certainly not broadcast that I worship a penis and a vagina for a start
and not explain that one gets a guru by someone blowing in your ear
or that some goddess turned her devotees to rats. Fabulous culture!
And few other things so misinformed.


The so called guru was giving him a secret mantra which Paul didn’t catch on because he is illiterate in his understanding of Indian culture.

The Rat temple constructed by Maharaja Ganga Singh in the early 1900s. According to legend Shakti the Mother Goddess as Karni Mata once restored a dead child of her devotee back to life from Yama (the God of Death). She made a deal with Yama and announced that no one from her tribe would fall into Yamas hand again. Instead when they died they would temporarily inhabit the body of a rat (Kaba) before being reborn into the tribe.
Temporary in my opinion probably to absolve of any sins (read up about karma). So the rats are considered souls of the clan. Hence the local people feed them and protect them. Well its not the rats that are kept but their belief that souls of their ancestors/clan are looked after. Apparently there has never been rat related illness in that area.
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Originally Posted by DesiUK View Post Certainly not broadcast that I worship a penis and a vagina for a start
I think you seem to have missed the point. Firstly the show is called Paul Merton in India...is this wrong is he somewhere else? the title does reflect who and where he is..its a T.V.show... 'entertainment' ... Secondly ~ we realise they dont worship them they worshiped the gods but were celebrating thier union at that time of the year.
Many celebrate mothers day which is meant to be the day Mary became pregnant with Jesus. Wasn't that a strange happening too??

The guide woman was very inept at explaining it all.

Question ~ what do the rounded bumps mean/symbolise that you see in temples everywhere?
and if thats what you believe are you ashamed of it and this is why you would not want to 'broadcast' it.
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Well,the second episode of Merton in India has just been watched and I for one thoroughly enjoyed it.
This week consisted of a blind cricket team,truly inspiring to see courage in spite of disability.The young men were having a great time.Of course no show without punch and he was invited to play{blindfolded!} and failed miserably.
Then Paul Merton visited a dj in Jaipur who took him to visit a prosthetics workshop,the look of joy on a young boy`s face as he was fitted with his new leg made me weep.The workers at the workshop seemed to be self taught and you could see how much they enjoyed their work.
Lastly he went to visit a group of eunachs who seemed to have a protection racket going,you could see that Merton was a little aghast at their actions and seemed very uncomfortable but when it was explained that they are ostracised by society from an early age and live hand to mouth he softened and said he understood the way they were.

At no time did I feel that Merton was ridiculing anyone,indeed I felt more so this week that he had greater understanding of the Indian culture.
Its really refreshing watching these kind of shows as it gives you a view of India that a humble tourist will never see.
Thumbs up from me and I look forward to the rest of the series.
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I totaly agree!
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