Nusrat

haal Fakiran da · Aug 2nd, 2009, 07:50

Any Nusret Fatey Ali Khan fans here ? If so, where can I buy a full collection of possibly CDs in either Mumbai or Hyderabad or some city in the Deccan peninsula. (I only have 2 days in and one day out in Mumbai)

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 09:23

A full collection I don't know (would have to be pretty gargantuan you'd think), but his music shouldn't be hard to get a hold of at all no. At outlets ranging from major music stores, to minor streetside vendors. Shouldn't be hard to get a hold of abroad either, for that matter.

Getting the spelling right would help: It's Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

capt_mahajan · Aug 2nd, 2009, 10:31

Easily got, and many. Full collection, dunno.

Go to any big music store depending on where you happen to be.

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 16:28

I was thinking it's Planet M that's a pretty decent music store chain, isn't it? There's one in a mall right in Hyderabad's Abids area I think, on Abid Road, pretty close to the post office there. But you'll find them in many cities.

I found them a pleasant shop. What's on offer can be fairly eclectic mind, so making it hard to find e.g. a full collection of any one (older) artist's stuff; but staff will be helpful if you just ask. And Nusrat Khan will certainly be on sale. Check if you're looking at original albums, or later or secondary collections (although it's quite possible some of his work is only available in the latter format).*

But, again, could be any sort of musical outlet, really. (One note: In Mumbai's Colaba area I for some reason found no good music stores. My guess is you need to head more centrally northwards of there for it; perhaps towards VT or Churchgate stations. Lonely Planet '07 mentions a Planet M on Dr. Dadabhai Naoroji Rd., Fort area; and one Rhythm House, K. Dubash Marg, also Fort.)

* Another thing to check is you'll find many tributes to and covers of him. So esp. if you can't read the labeling, it's easy to end up with one of those. Make sure you're actually looking at his performances, not someone else's. Also, he has quite a few family members in the business, and/or who formed part of his "party," so you could end up with other (Fateh Ali) Khans. His younger cousin whom he trained isn't at all bad himself btw, and making quite a career I believe; this may or may not be Rahat Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, I'd have to look it up elsewhere.

rajered · Aug 2nd, 2009, 16:56

There is a Planet M near CST station. You should get Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan CD'd there.

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 17:16

... nb To blabber on some more then (hey, it's Sunday morning & the coffee's still fresh

), I don't know about Qawwali precisely, but a lot of Indian (classical or traditional) music is produced in a very different way than the Western format. Performers don't make fixed albums, that they then perform and go on tour with; rather, much music is improvised on the spot, perhaps starting with certain given ground themes, then taking it as it comes from there, and as they inspire one another, or following the one who takes the lead, and often taking turns in this position. (Thanks to Nick-H too, who instructed me some on the matter as we both enjoyed a -- beautiful -- Carnatic performance that he'd invited me to.) It is in fact a rather amazing approach, and to see such people playing together as if they knew their -- often highly complex -- material by heart. And as Nick explained to me, in that particular tradition at least, performers may not even know who they'll be playing with until they enter the venue. And it follows that each of such songs is in fact unique; a one-time (collective) affair, a "gift," indeed.

What one hears of Nusrat Khan's performances is they were very much exuberant all-night affairs (oh, to think I never took the chance to see him when I could have...), sort of like a Sufi gathering on the road indeed, and reciting classical poetry & generally extolling his God and various saints; so I suspect it did work in a similar fashion here, indeed.

So this doesn't contribute to finding a "collected works" of such artists. And then to add, many (live) recordings may be secondary indeed, that they had no direct control over. Added to that, and thinking of the famous Lata Mangeshkar for instance, her recordings are said to run literally into the thousands, the most in the world I think I've heard it said. (And checking on that: Yes, it would seem to have earned her a Guinness Book of Records position even for many years.)

But, don't let it stop you; just start collecting away

Nick-H · Aug 2nd, 2009, 17:50

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(Thanks to Nick-H too, who instructed me some on the matter as we both enjoyed a -- beautiful -- Carnatic performance.) It is in fact a rather amazing approach, and to see such people playing together as if they knew the songs by heart.

The songs they do know by heart (although it is far from unknown for an accompanist to find the main artist singing something he's hearing for the first time; they just have to catch up fast!) but there are lots of "twiddly bits" that are improvised.

Qawwali is, I imagine, similar, but I'm not keen, so don't know much about it.

If it appeals, then why stick to one artist? There are lots of good ones, I believe!

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 18:13

Thanks for clarification, Nick (and boy, I do still cherish that concert

); I was reading up some on it just now, and yes, the approach seems to be very similar: so improvisations and variations on given ground themes. (I also find Nusrat himself earned a Guinness mention for having the most Qawwali recordings out: 125 albums and counting in 2001 it seems, and/but in fact said to be undetermined).

Many artists, certainly: His dad Ustad Fateh Ali Khan, no less famous I believe (the family is claimed to have a tradition in it of 600 years).

The Sabri Brothers, likewise legendary.

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 2nd, 2009, 19:33

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Originally Posted by machadinha

125 albums and counting in 2001 it seems, and/but in fact said to be undetermined).

I guess he died in 1997-98.

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 19:44

Yes, that's correct ('97); but posthumous material seems to be still coming out.

Again, I suspect there must be tons of (live) recordings lying around here and there.

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 2nd, 2009, 19:47

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Originally Posted by machadinha

Many artists, certainly: His dad Ustad Fateh Ali Khan, no less famous I believe (the family is claimed to have a tradition in it of 600 years).

Do you follow Rahat FAK, I guess he is Nusrat's Nephew and I like him a lot.

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Originally Posted by machadinha

Again, I suspect there must be tons of (live) recordings lying around here and there.

I have got lot of his songs, however now most of them are simply the redone versions or sound very similar to his older numbers.

machadinha · Aug 2nd, 2009, 20:03

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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

Do you follow Rahat FAK, I guess he is Nusrat's Nephew and I like him a lot.

Follow, no, but I have one great CD by him. I mentioned him above; but wasn't sure of the name, the CD is not where I'm currently at. We do seem to be talking about the same guy though; it's his nephew yes. I suppose much of Nusrat's original party would still be playing with him then? Not sure really.

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I have got lot of his songs, however now most of them are simply the redone versions or sound very similar to his older numbers.

That's been my experience too yes; hence my comments on the likely difficulty of distinguishing any "original" recordings from any later rehashes of compilations of covers of...

haal Fakiran da · Aug 3rd, 2009, 03:38

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Originally Posted by machadinha

Getting the spelling right would help: It's Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

One CD I have, and no CDDB info. There are a few songs available online but I was hoping some soul in this part of the world would have a full collection ?

shashank.aggarwal · Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:37

If look online more carefully, there are complete collections available. But Ofcourse, downloading music online might be considered as Piracy, and we do not recommend it.

nycank · Aug 4th, 2009, 15:56

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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal

I have got lot of his songs, however now most of them are simply the redone versions or sound very similar to his older numbers.

Redone /remixes are in some cases terrible. What a waste of money.

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Originally Posted by haal Fakiran da

haal Fakiran da

So you have full collection of Ghulam Ali

Aug 2nd, 2009, 07:50	#1
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Aug 2nd, 2009, 09:23	#2
machadinha brother my cup is empty member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 14,373	A full collection I don't know (would have to be pretty gargantuan you'd think), but his music shouldn't be hard to get a hold of at all no. At outlets ranging from major music stores, to minor streetside vendors. Shouldn't be hard to get a hold of abroad either, for that matter. Getting the spelling right would help: It's Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. __________________ Reading tips, all picked up at IndiaMike : INDAX's A Comprehensive Guide To India / Dinoj Surendran's Desi Humor / ITHVC on Culture Shock & Travel Health / JetLag Travel Guides For the Undiscerning Traveller / India Travel Links

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capt_mahajan Infidel Sufi Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: styx Posts: 13,605	Easily got, and many. Full collection, dunno. Go to any big music store depending on where you happen to be. __________________ . Outside the machine

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machadinha brother my cup is empty member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 14,373	Thanks for clarification, Nick (and boy, I do still cherish that concert ); I was reading up some on it just now, and yes, the approach seems to be very similar: so improvisations and variations on given ground themes. (I also find Nusrat himself earned a Guinness mention for having the most Qawwali recordings out: 125 albums and counting in 2001 it seems, and/but in fact said to be undetermined). Many artists, certainly: His dad Ustad Fateh Ali Khan, no less famous I believe (the family is claimed to have a tradition in it of 600 years). The Sabri Brothers, likewise legendary. Last edited by machadinha : Aug 2nd, 2009 at 21:28.

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Aug 2nd, 2009, 16:28	#4
machadinha brother my cup is empty member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 14,373	I was thinking it's Planet M that's a pretty decent music store chain, isn't it? There's one in a mall right in Hyderabad's Abids area I think, on Abid Road, pretty close to the post office there. But you'll find them in many cities. I found them a pleasant shop. What's on offer can be fairly eclectic mind, so making it hard to find e.g. a full collection of any one (older) artist's stuff; but staff will be helpful if you just ask. And Nusrat Khan will certainly be on sale. Check if you're looking at original albums, or later or secondary collections (although it's quite possible some of his work is only available in the latter format).* But, again, could be any sort of musical outlet, really. (One note: In Mumbai's Colaba area I for some reason found no good music stores. My guess is you need to head more centrally northwards of there for it; perhaps towards VT or Churchgate stations. Lonely Planet '07 mentions a Planet M on Dr. Dadabhai Naoroji Rd., Fort area; and one Rhythm House, K. Dubash Marg, also Fort.) * Another thing to check is you'll find many tributes to and covers of him. So esp. if you can't read the labeling, it's easy to end up with one of those. Make sure you're actually looking at his performances, not someone else's. Also, he has quite a few family members in the business, and/or who formed part of his "party," so you could end up with other (Fateh Ali) Khans. His younger cousin whom he trained isn't at all bad himself btw, and making quite a career I believe; this may or may not be Rahat Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, I'd have to look it up elsewhere.

Aug 2nd, 2009, 16:56	#5
rajered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 1,184	There is a Planet M near CST station. You should get Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan CD'd there.

Aug 2nd, 2009, 17:16	#6
machadinha brother my cup is empty member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 14,373	... nb To blabber on some more then (hey, it's Sunday morning & the coffee's still fresh ), I don't know about Qawwali precisely, but a lot of Indian (classical or traditional) music is produced in a very different way than the Western format. Performers don't make fixed albums, that they then perform and go on tour with; rather, much music is improvised on the spot, perhaps starting with certain given ground themes, then taking it as it comes from there, and as they inspire one another, or following the one who takes the lead, and often taking turns in this position. (Thanks to Nick-H too, who instructed me some on the matter as we both enjoyed a -- beautiful -- Carnatic performance that he'd invited me to.) It is in fact a rather amazing approach, and to see such people playing together as if they knew their -- often highly complex -- material by heart. And as Nick explained to me, in that particular tradition at least, performers may not even know who they'll be playing with until they enter the venue. And it follows that each of such songs is in fact unique; a one-time (collective) affair, a "gift," indeed. What one hears of Nusrat Khan's performances is they were very much exuberant all-night affairs (oh, to think I never took the chance to see him when I could have...), sort of like a Sufi gathering on the road indeed, and reciting classical poetry & generally extolling his God and various saints; so I suspect it did work in a similar fashion here, indeed. So this doesn't contribute to finding a "collected works" of such artists. And then to add, many (live) recordings may be secondary indeed, that they had no direct control over. Added to that, and thinking of the famous Lata Mangeshkar for instance, her recordings are said to run literally into the thousands, the most in the world I think I've heard it said. (And checking on that: Yes, it would seem to have earned her a Guinness Book of Records position even for many years.) But, don't let it stop you; just start collecting away

Aug 2nd, 2009, 19:44	#10
machadinha brother my cup is empty member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: yörp Posts: 14,373	Yes, that's correct ('97); but posthumous material seems to be still coming out. Again, I suspect there must be tons of (live) recordings lying around here and there.

Aug 3rd, 2009, 11:37	#14
shashank.aggarwal The Fortunate One Join Date: May 2007 Location: Road Posts: 6,820	If look online more carefully, there are complete collections available. But Ofcourse, downloading music online might be considered as Piracy, and we do not recommend it.

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