Learning Sanskrit

Tagore · Jun 6th, 2003, 00:21

So I started learning Sanskrit. I want to translate Kabir and other meddieval poets into Russian and need help. Is there anybody from India? Ary there any good electronical dictionarys or learning tools for devanagari? Would like to know, because I want to go to India next year,

Marco, Moscow

Jun 25th, 2003, 10:48

do a search for insdoc - it is the indian documentation centre and they tons of work like this

Tagore · Jun 26th, 2003, 00:37

Oh, ok - I'll try it out. Thanks

Goldrush77 · Jun 26th, 2003, 02:00

Well, I hate to rain on your parade, but unless I'm mistaken the poetry of Kabir is not written in Sanskrit but in Urdu/Hindi... Kabir lived... around the 1500s? (or is it 1100s?) in Delhi, I think... I do know that the most prominent translation (in English) is by Rabindranath Tagore, and there is a well-known adaptation of these translations by Rober Bly (also English)... regardless, you may want to consider translating the English of Tagore into your own Russian... or you might consider learning medieval Urdu (considerably more time, I would think).

Tagore · Jun 26th, 2003, 15:21

It's no Urdu. And there allready is an English-> Russian translation, it's no good. I'll search for the Blay's one ...

absolut · Jun 26th, 2003, 17:29

Marco,

Kabirs poetry is written in the period of the decline of Apabhransha and emergence of modern Hindi. This Apabhransha language is actual more or less as well the base of Modern Hindi as Modern Urdu. Therefore translating Kabir from the original scriptures will be a major task, since one has to have a good knowledge of as well hindi as urdu. To make a good translation also a basic knowledge of prakrit and the grammatical and phonetical rules of how prakrit languages changed into Hindi is recommended. If you really plan to translate the original i would start with getting a solid foundation of hindi language knowledge. this will enable you at least to understand more or less what is written, but w/o the above mentioned additional knowledge i am afraid it will hardly be possible to translate Kabir in a proper way. but anyway good luck with your translation plans.

Tagore · Jun 26th, 2003, 20:53

Oh,

I'll get more info on Urdu. Actually I have thought about learning hindi, so I'll have to do. Kabir deserves it ...

Thanks, absolut,
see u, Marco, Moscow

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Tagore Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 23	Learning Sanskrit So I started learning Sanskrit. I want to translate Kabir and other meddieval poets into Russian and need help. Is there anybody from India? Ary there any good electronical dictionarys or learning tools for devanagari? Would like to know, because I want to go to India next year, Marco, Moscow __________________ http://www.webmaxtor.com

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Jun 25th, 2003, 10:48	#2
archits Posts: n/a	do a search for insdoc - it is the indian documentation centre and they tons of work like this

Jun 26th, 2003, 00:37	#3
Tagore Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 23	Oh, ok - I'll try it out. Thanks

Jun 26th, 2003, 02:00	#4
Goldrush77 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: New York, NY, US Posts: 28	Well, I hate to rain on your parade, but unless I'm mistaken the poetry of Kabir is not written in Sanskrit but in Urdu/Hindi... Kabir lived... around the 1500s? (or is it 1100s?) in Delhi, I think... I do know that the most prominent translation (in English) is by Rabindranath Tagore, and there is a well-known adaptation of these translations by Rober Bly (also English)... regardless, you may want to consider translating the English of Tagore into your own Russian... or you might consider learning medieval Urdu (considerably more time, I would think).

Jun 26th, 2003, 15:21	#5
Tagore Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 23	It's no Urdu. And there allready is an English-> Russian translation, it's no good. I'll search for the Blay's one ...

Jun 26th, 2003, 17:29	#6
absolut Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 54	Marco, Kabirs poetry is written in the period of the decline of Apabhransha and emergence of modern Hindi. This Apabhransha language is actual more or less as well the base of Modern Hindi as Modern Urdu. Therefore translating Kabir from the original scriptures will be a major task, since one has to have a good knowledge of as well hindi as urdu. To make a good translation also a basic knowledge of prakrit and the grammatical and phonetical rules of how prakrit languages changed into Hindi is recommended. If you really plan to translate the original i would start with getting a solid foundation of hindi language knowledge. this will enable you at least to understand more or less what is written, but w/o the above mentioned additional knowledge i am afraid it will hardly be possible to translate Kabir in a proper way. but anyway good luck with your translation plans.

Jun 26th, 2003, 20:53	#7
Tagore Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Moscow Posts: 23	Oh, I'll get more info on Urdu. Actually I have thought about learning hindi, so I'll have to do. Kabir deserves it ... Thanks, absolut, see u, Marco, Moscow

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