Dalai Lama v. China

dzibead

And what, pray tell, would the U.S. have to gain politically or economically from defending Tibetans and their culture against repression by the Chinese government? I realize it's all the fashion nowadays to be snotty about everything the U.S. does, and God knows I myself can't stand anything about the Bush administration, but your cynicism on this issue is just knee-jerk Yank-bashing and seems quite immature. Believe it or not, the U.S. and its citizens are still quite capable of acting out of idealism and good values. What has your country (Italy) done for Tibet lately ... or ever? Or you personally?

maltabella

1) And what, pray tell, would the U.S. have to gain politically or economically from defending Tibetans and their culture against repression by the Chinese government?
2) your cynicism on this issue is just knee-jerk Yank-bashing and seems quite immature.
3)What has your country (Italy) done for Tibet lately ... or ever? Or you personally?

1) blow upon and run down chinese gvt showing to the world how chineese are bad and american good, and please believe me, since I am not a chinese supporter, I could agree with this but, please, don't tell me you are doing it for human charity.
2)thank you for your kind impression and open minded feeling, but I do not need any more theaching by USA, what you are teaching all around the world is enough.
3)we were talking about GWB and not about Italy, you are the empire, and still want people talking about Italy? But if you want to know my opinion italian international politics is simply dreadful and craven.

dzibead

It's sad that you find this so inconceivable.

machadinha

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capt_mahajan

The fact is that as China goes onwards towards becoming a greater power in this century, most countries will be unable or unwilling to be too critical of them. Tibet will be just one casualty.

China is already gaining influence in the anti US countries of South America, not to speak of Africa.

I sometimes wonder how Chinese politics will play out domestically, and whether the country might face major unrest in the future- and whether that will make any difference to the Tibetans.

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ranjan154

I knew "machadinha", you must be following this.. what a timing to jump in .. gud job .. appreciate it

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maltabella

that's the point capt, maybe there will be a time for a natural, domestic and hopefully peaceful revolution, this will bring human right and welfare, people will not more be exploited, wages will raise, chinese competitive advantage will change (or will decline)etc... etc...
There was a great man who used to say:"I have a dream..."

capt_mahajan

Maybe China will be the first Communist Capitalist Democracy

dzibead

Unfortunately for the Tibetans, even the non-Communist, pro-democracy Chinese don't generally support Tibetan independence or even autonomy (for example, even Taiwan claims Tibet as part of China!), so even the end of the current regime whether by catastrophic collapse of Communist Party control or by an internal and possibly peaceful revolution, probably might not do much to advance purely Tibetan interests.

An American, by the way. Did he have a cynical political and economic agenda, too?

shashank.aggarwal

Somehow I do agree with you on this..I simply don't get the point..US bashing is fashionable these days and everyone wants to jump on the wagon !!

This is something I raised in other thread as well, albeit on a different topic, whenever you talk about Economic advances OR development of India, there will be 50 people jumping on you with issues like, below poverty line, suicides etc...as in the case wit US, it is fashionable to chime this line these days...

Who doesn't want to sound an Intellectual ??

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maltabella

This is why I willfully mentioned him, I haven't got any doubt about the importance that Usa has in the DEMOCRACY development, but your susceptibility show how poor is your dispassion.

machadinha

Minnesota

You have made many good points, but I would just point out that this sort of official Taiwanese (actually ROC) stance that "everything in the PRC (and more!) belongs to us," which was drilled into Taiwanese schoolchildren back before Taiwan became democratic, is dying out.

It was always an "official line" fiction, a fact that is now generally openly acknowledged. For what it's worth, there is now complete freedom of religion (and complete political freedom) in Taiwan, including Tibetan Buddhism, among many other things.

Nick-H

I don't think (maybe I missed it) that the point was fully picked up that Tibet was not 'allowed to evolve' it was invaded and subjugated.

Now, maybe some of this is political play, I don't know --- but I am still keeping my hat off to USA on this one: just because one loathes an individual, or even an administration, does not mean one cannot praise them if and when they do something right. On this occasion, I'm still saying, Good for you, GWB & Co.

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Minnesota

Even a broken clock is right twice a day -- and when it's right, it's right. I'm glad to see GWB on the proper side this time, too.