Dalai Lama v. China

crvlvr · Oct 12th, 2007, 01:53

I watched an interesting documentary about the Dalai Lama and Tibetians in India that was hosted by Dan Rather. It is about 53 mins long and can be watched in its entirety by clicking below.

http://www.hd.net/drr234.html

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One Man vs. China

Dan Rather Reports features a rare in-depth interview with the Dalai Lama, one of the world's most influential figures, who in just two weeks will receive the Congressional Gold Medal - the highest honor paid to a civilian by the United States Congress.

After 48 years in exile the Dalai Lama, a 72-year-old Buddhist monk, with no country or army, tells Dan Rather that he remains committed to what he calls Tibet's "freedom struggle," urging his followers to walk a peaceful but not passive path saying "We have to act. We have to work."

pantelis · Oct 12th, 2007, 02:02

Long Live His Holiness!!!!!Thanks

pillimosan · Oct 12th, 2007, 04:46

very nice video, thanks a lot cvlvr. I really miss McLeod

maltabella · Oct 12th, 2007, 05:38

simply great. thanks

Alohaguy · Oct 12th, 2007, 12:21

Pretty soon Tibetan culture will be found only in Dharamsala.
Sad!

haji · Oct 12th, 2007, 14:14

We hope things will be change as soon as possible in Tibet.

vmehra24 · Oct 12th, 2007, 15:46

Everybody is for Free Tibet but nobody is for freeing Tibet.

maltabella · Oct 12th, 2007, 16:11

HH's message is a message of hope but I still wonder whether this strategy is the right one because while we are waiting for things to change staying in Dharmsala, Tibetan people in Tibet are slowly disappearing thanks to imprisonments, ethnic marriages and so on... I fear that once thiongs will be changed, no more real tibetan will live in Tibet...

crvlvr · Oct 12th, 2007, 23:41

I think the key point here is that the global community chooses to ignore China's human rights track record just because it is so lucrative to do business with them.

Shiver me Timbers · Oct 13th, 2007, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmehra24

Everybody is for Free Tibet but nobody is for freeing Tibet.

Hi, I don't know much about Tibet, but I liked this piece from Mark Steyn in America Alone.......

Quote:

"Every so often, I find myself for the umpteenth time, driving behind a Vermont granolamobile whose bumper not only proclaims the driver’s enduring post-2004 support for Kerry/Edwards but also bears the slogan “FREE TIBET.”

It must be great to be the guy with the printing contract for the “FREE TIBET” stickers. Not so good for the guy back in Tibet wondering when the freedom thereof will actually get under way. Are you in favor of a Free Tibet? It’s hard to find anyone who isn’t. Every college in America is. There’s the Indiana University Students for a Free Tibet, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison Students for a Free Tibet, and the Students for a Free Tibet University of Michigan chapter, and the University of Montana Students for a Free Tibet in Missoula, which is where they might as well relocate the last three Tibetans by the time it is freed.

Everyone’s for a free Tibet, but no one’s for freeing Tibet. So Tibet will stay unfree–as unfree now as it was when the first Free Tibet campaigner slapped the very first “FREE TIBET” sticker onto the back of his Edsel. Idealism as inertia is the hallmark of the movement. Well, not entirely inert: it must be a pain in the neck when you trade in the Volvo for a Subaru and have to bend down and paste on a new “FREE TIBET” sticker. For a while, my otherwise not terribly political wife got extremely irritated by the Free Tibet shtick, demanding to know at a pancake breakfast at the local church what precisely some harmless hippy-dippy old neighbor of ours meant by the sticker he’d been proudly displaying decade in, decade out: “But what exactly are you doing to free Tibet?” she insisted. “You’re not doing anything, are you?”

“Give the guy a break.” I said when we got back home. “He’s advertising his moral superiority, not calling for action. If Rumsfeld were to say, ‘Free Tibet? Jiminy, what a swell idea! The Third Infantry Division goes in on Thursday,’ the bumper-sticker crowd would be aghast. They’d have to bend down and peel off the ‘Free Tibet’ stickers and replace them with ‘WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.’”

But there’ll never be a Free Tibet–because, through all the decades Americans were driving around with the bumper stickers, the Chinese were moving populations, torturing Tibetans, imposing inter-marriage until Tibet was altered beyond recognition. By the time the guys with the Free Tibet stickers get around to freeing Tibet there’ll be no Tibet left to free.

That’s 'stability'."

haji · Oct 16th, 2007, 22:34

First, and probably last, time I did appreciate G.W. Bush, when just yesterday he met the Dalai Lama. When His Holyness come to Italy, mr berlusconi did not receive him, afraid of compromising trademark business with China.

Nick-H · Oct 16th, 2007, 23:30

Well... I felt the same about Major, who was the first Brit PM to meet with the DL, although it was made clear that he was meeeting him as a religious leader, not a plitical one.

I'm astonished that USA is honouring the DL. They must really hate China, and really really not want a future relationship with it!

crvlvr · Oct 17th, 2007, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick-H

I'm astonished that USA is honouring the DL. They must really hate China, and really really not want a future relationship with it!

the US has a love-hate relationship with China.

Nick-H · Oct 17th, 2007, 00:18

Sounds like China will be starting on a hate hate relationshipwith the US.

Didn't they just accuse another country of hurting the feelings of the Chinese people by receiving the DL? Somewhere in Europe? I recall the quote, but not the country it was aimed at. I'm guessing... Germany?

capt_mahajan · Oct 17th, 2007, 00:34

Yep, it was Germany. The chancellor met the DL.

If I remember right, China called off some human rights meeting with Germany after the DL's trip.

Oct 12th, 2007, 01:53	#1
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,325	Dalai Lama v. China I watched an interesting documentary about the Dalai Lama and Tibetians in India that was hosted by Dan Rather. It is about 53 mins long and can be watched in its entirety by clicking below. http://www.hd.net/drr234.html Preview:http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0 Full Length Full screen Version: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1 One Man vs. China Dan Rather Reports features a rare in-depth interview with the Dalai Lama, one of the world's most influential figures, who in just two weeks will receive the Congressional Gold Medal - the highest honor paid to a civilian by the United States Congress. After 48 years in exile the Dalai Lama, a 72-year-old Buddhist monk, with no country or army, tells Dan Rather that he remains committed to what he calls Tibet's "freedom struggle," urging his followers to walk a peaceful but not passive path saying "We have to act. We have to work."

Oct 12th, 2007, 02:02	#2
pantelis Hello Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 268	great!! Long Live His Holiness!!!!!Thanks __________________

Oct 12th, 2007, 14:14	#6
haji Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: italy Posts: 44	Thanks We hope things will be change as soon as possible in Tibet. __________________

Oct 16th, 2007, 22:34	#11
haji Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: italy Posts: 44	Well Done, George First, and probably last, time I did appreciate G.W. Bush, when just yesterday he met the Dalai Lama. When His Holyness come to Italy, mr berlusconi did not receive him, afraid of compromising trademark business with China.

Oct 16th, 2007, 23:30	#12
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,623	Well... I felt the same about Major, who was the first Brit PM to meet with the DL, although it was made clear that he was meeeting him as a religious leader, not a plitical one. I'm astonished that USA is honouring the DL. They must really hate China, and really really not want a future relationship with it! __________________ . Just one member of the IndiaMike Mod Team

Oct 12th, 2007, 04:46	#3
pillimosan Utopian Automatic Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Barcelona, Spain Posts: 81	very nice video, thanks a lot cvlvr. I really miss McLeod

Oct 12th, 2007, 05:38	#4
maltabella Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: italy Posts: 184	simply great. thanks

Oct 12th, 2007, 12:21	#5
Alohaguy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hawaii USA Posts: 165	Pretty soon Tibetan culture will be found only in Dharamsala. Sad!

Oct 12th, 2007, 15:46	#7
vmehra24 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 187	Everybody is for Free Tibet but nobody is for freeing Tibet.

Oct 12th, 2007, 16:11	#8
maltabella Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: italy Posts: 184	HH's message is a message of hope but I still wonder whether this strategy is the right one because while we are waiting for things to change staying in Dharmsala, Tibetan people in Tibet are slowly disappearing thanks to imprisonments, ethnic marriages and so on... I fear that once thiongs will be changed, no more real tibetan will live in Tibet...

Oct 12th, 2007, 23:41	#9
crvlvr Guru Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 4,325	I think the key point here is that the global community chooses to ignore China's human rights track record just because it is so lucrative to do business with them.

Oct 17th, 2007, 00:18	#14
Nick-H Loud-mouthed, Noisy Bird Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 24,623	Sounds like China will be starting on a hate hate relationshipwith the US. Didn't they just accuse another country of hurting the feelings of the Chinese people by receiving the DL? Somewhere in Europe? I recall the quote, but not the country it was aimed at. I'm guessing... Germany?

Oct 17th, 2007, 00:34	#15
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 9,035	Yep, it was Germany. The chancellor met the DL. If I remember right, China called off some human rights meeting with Germany after the DL's trip. __________________ . Humpty Dumpty was pushed. Indiamike moderating team ..ich bin ein oneliner

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