Chalo ghar ko jaldi, jhampani!

PeakXV · Mar 30th, 2007, 09:51

Chalo ghar ko jaldi, jhampani! Go Home quickly Rickshaw Man!?

a direct quote from Kipling's "The Story of Gadsby"!

It's the third time I've come across Jhampani in Kipling's short stories - is Jhampani a term that is still used today and how/what is the term derived from?

capt_mahajan · Mar 30th, 2007, 09:54

Jhampani here sounds like either the name of the Rickshaw man, or the name of the locality/town where 'home' is.

As far as I know jhampani does not mean anything.

PeakXV · Mar 30th, 2007, 09:59

..... from Kipling's Plain Tales from the Hills - "Tods' Amendment" - page 201 ..... Tods was the idol of eighty Jhampanis and half as many saises.

capt_mahajan · Mar 30th, 2007, 10:02

http://www.kipling.org.uk/rg_gadsbys_poordear_notes.htm

at the bottom
jhampani = rikshaw man.

capt_mahajan · Mar 30th, 2007, 10:04

jhampan (jampan) The chair 駕 basket which is shouldered with 2 people or more
jhampani The person or the human powered track man who shoulders jhampan

from here

and, I dont think this is used widely anymore, or maybe only in certain areas of India

from the same site
sais :Horse turn, horse person in charge

PeakXV · Mar 30th, 2007, 10:19

Thanks Captain!

Then as the definition (re: Human Rickshaw pullers)appears to dictate .... I gather these Jhampanis may well only exist in Calcutta these days?

PeakXV · Mar 30th, 2007, 10:23

Or perhaps he is referring to more of a covered litter/sedan chair/palanquin type carriage device?

jyotirmoy · Mar 30th, 2007, 10:40

The word "Sais" is still used in Bengali... the man in charge of the horse.
The word "jhamp" in Bengali means jump. I am not aware of the meaning/usage of the word Jhampani.

capt_mahajan · Mar 30th, 2007, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeakXV

Or perhaps he is referring to more of a covered litter/sedan chair/palanquin type carriage device?

sounds like a palanquin to me.

jhampani.. the sound of it, plus kiplings area of operation.. my guess is that is a central-indian (MP, UP..) term.

PeakXV · Mar 31st, 2007, 00:42

Just took a quick glance through Hobson-Jobson. I get the feeling
that it may have been derived from the Javanese/Malay word SAMPAN - A kind of small boat or skiff which led me to CHAMPANA - A kind of small Vessel and thus JHAMPAN and JHAMPANI ?

capt_mahajan · Mar 31st, 2007, 15:25

Dunno, to a layman (me

) there seems to be some Sanskrit influence in Malaysia and Indonesia..

but sampan is derived from Chinese.. ; means 'a few planks', I think.. somebody told me in Shanghai.

wonderwomanusa · Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by capt_mahajan

jhampan (jampan) The chair 駕 basket which is shouldered with 2 people or more
jhampani The person or the human powered track man who shoulders jhampan

Aren't those "chairs" called "dulis"?

capt_mahajan · Apr 2nd, 2007, 08:47

dunno, heard of jhampan(i) first time here, myself

..but it could well be. India has a thousand dialects, after all.

PeakXV · Dec 7th, 2007, 09:02

Just discovered it hiding in Hobson-Jobson under 'jompon': "A kind of sedan or portable chair used by the ladies at the Hill Sanitoria of Upper India. It is carried by two pairs of men(who are called jomponnies i.e janpani or japani)each pair bearing on their shoulder a bar from which the chair are slung."

It goes on to say that 'Jhampan' in Bengali is a stage on which snake-catchers and other juggling vagabonds exhibit; A kind of sedan used by travelers in the Himalaya.

capt_mahajan · Dec 7th, 2007, 09:09

Ah, we were close, then.

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capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 8,765	jhampan (jampan) The chair 駕 basket which is shouldered with 2 people or more jhampani The person or the human powered track man who shoulders jhampan from here and, I dont think this is used widely anymore, or maybe only in certain areas of India from the same site sais :Horse turn, horse person in charge

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PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 3,738	Thanks Captain! Then as the definition (re: Human Rickshaw pullers)appears to dictate .... I gather these *Jhampanis* may well only exist in Calcutta these days?

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PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 3,738	Or perhaps he is referring to more of a covered litter/sedan chair/palanquin type carriage device?

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jyotirmoy Maha Guru Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 3,954	The word "Sais" is still used in Bengali... the man in charge of the horse. The word "jhamp" in Bengali means jump. I am not aware of the meaning/usage of the word Jhampani.

Mar 31st, 2007, 00:42	#10
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 3,738	Just took a quick glance through Hobson-Jobson. I get the feeling that it may have been derived from the Javanese/Malay word SAMPAN - A kind of small boat or skiff which led me to CHAMPANA - A kind of small Vessel and thus JHAMPAN and JHAMPANI ?

Mar 31st, 2007, 15:25	#11
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 8,765	Dunno, to a layman (me ) there seems to be some Sanskrit influence in Malaysia and Indonesia.. but sampan is derived from Chinese.. ; means 'a few planks', I think.. somebody told me in Shanghai.

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capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 8,765	dunno, heard of jhampan(i) first time here, myself ..but it could well be. India has a thousand dialects, after all.

Dec 7th, 2007, 09:02	#14
PeakXV Naan.tering Nabob Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Abode of Glooscap Posts: 3,738	Just discovered it hiding in Hobson-Jobson under 'jompon': "A kind of sedan or portable chair used by the ladies at the Hill Sanitoria of Upper India. It is carried by two pairs of men(who are called jomponnies i.e janpani or japani)each pair bearing on their shoulder a bar from which the chair are slung." It goes on to say that 'Jhampan' in Bengali is a stage on which snake-catchers and other juggling vagabonds exhibit; A kind of sedan used by travelers in the Himalaya.

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Dec 7th, 2007, 09:09	#15
capt_mahajan (in charge of navel affairs) Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: India Posts: 8,765	Ah, we were close, then.